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New to the market?

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Incorrect Clasp and renamed, to many if's and but's Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal   Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptyTue Dec 09, 2014 8:06 pm

Hi Graves

I agree, too many if's and but's. The clasp question is interesting though. Originally 1877-8 on his papers, then crossed out with 79 added in a different hand. The medal roll has him ticked in both the 1877-8 and 1879 boxes, and Norman Holme gives him the full clasp. I wonder if something went awry and he was a bit miffed, so replacing the medal. Wonder what it will go for!

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PostSubject: Re: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal   Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptyTue Dec 09, 2014 8:28 pm

His Rusteze

It looks like he was mistaken for another Norris on his records, hence the mistakes recording his clasp?
Happy to be corrected.
Look at the other half of this page of his service record.

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I bet this medal will find a home as someone will not research it to the full.

The price who knows ?????

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PostSubject: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal    Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptyTue Dec 09, 2014 8:58 pm

Hi Graves / Steve
I saw this I think mentioned on the RDVC Forum ? , where the poster stated a Medal expert said it had certainly been renamed etc . I myself have no clue what it may go for ? , it's all a personal preference I suppose Shocked Salute Safe to assume it wont be ME ! LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal   Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptyTue Dec 09, 2014 9:01 pm

Oh come on 90th, you need a RD in your collection, this one could be for you Joker
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PostSubject: Re: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal   Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptyTue Dec 09, 2014 9:05 pm

No doubt Norris is in the famous photo on the grass bank. But we shall probably never know which one he is.

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PostSubject: Re: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal   Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptyTue Dec 09, 2014 9:07 pm

Hi Steve

How many R Norris's are on the original medal roll for the 2nd24th?

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PostSubject: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal    Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptyTue Dec 09, 2014 9:11 pm

Hi Graves
Shocked  I assume we all want one of those ! , finding the funds being the only drawback ! , need to win a lottery or two ! Very Happy Rolling Eyes
Cheers mate , 90th Salute Merry Christmas Merry Christmas
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PostSubject: Re: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal   Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptyTue Dec 09, 2014 9:17 pm

Hi 90th

I assume we all want one of those ! , finding the funds being the only drawback ! wrote:

I have to agree with you, but a renamed medal to a RD Defender???? RENAMED!!!!! You Could renamed any in your collection and make a mint in that case Wink Merry Christmas
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Hi Graves
Sorry my bad ! , I meant a RD Defender medal , one of which that hasnt , or wasnt renamed at any stage , as we say out here a '' Dinky Di '' one to be exact . Joker
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PostSubject: Re: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal   Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptyTue Dec 09, 2014 9:29 pm

Damed!!! I was hoping to make a mint, with renamed all those Medals you have LOL Joker

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Very Happy Very Happy LOL Shocked Shocked . Will I , or won't I , that is the question ??? LOL .
cheers 90th scratch Merry Christmas
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Hi Graves

Just one Norris on the roll.

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PostSubject: Re: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal   Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptyFri Dec 12, 2014 9:13 pm

Renamed medals? I would be rather dubious of any renamed medals.

In renaming a medal, does it involve reducing the original diameter of the medal to get rid of the old name, then renaming it with the new name, if so, a keen eye would spot the reduced diameter of the medal and would realise that it was not the original would they not, or is there some other process used to rename a medal?

Come on Gary, own up, have you never been tempted to have a iSandlwana or RD medal in your collection Rolling Eyes Very Happy Merry Christmas
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PostSubject: Re: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal   Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptyFri Dec 12, 2014 10:14 pm

Martin

If you read the advertisement you will see that the seller gives the reduced diameter of the medal, caused by the skimming of the original name and the subsequent re-naming. He is being honest about it, which is not always the case.

It's difficult to see with the naked eye - you really need an original to compare alongside. More often the giveaway is the new lettering style, or the faint remains of the original name, or a reduced or uneven lip on the circumference of the medal. Can be quite legitimate of course, if the original is lost. But caveat emptor is the rule. Too tempting to fake with high value medals, and few straight campaign medals come at higher values than these!

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PostSubject: Re: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal   Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptyFri Dec 12, 2014 11:34 pm

Hi Steve.

Thanks for clerifying that, and to be honest, I hadn't read the description, but had noticed that there are a number of renamed medals that keep cropping up from time to time, and it made me wonder if there was some way of renaming without reducing the diameter. Like you say mate, reducing the diameter must alter the circumference which results in an uneven or reduced lip.

Gary knows that I was only pulling his leg about having one of his medals renamed to either an iSandlwana or an RD one, I think that the old wombat is far too much an honest gentleman to lower himself to doing something like that agree

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PostSubject: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal    Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptySat Dec 13, 2014 12:46 am

Hi Martin
Salute Very Happy . Actually it had never crossed my mind ..................... !. Eenie meenie minnie mo ........ HAHAHAHAHAHA
Cheers 90th Merry Christmas Merry Christmas
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PostSubject: Re: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal   Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptySat Dec 13, 2014 11:28 am

LOL Salute

By the way mate, what is the ozzy version of Eeny meeny miney mo?

Here it used to be.

Eeny meeny miney mo
Put the baby on the po
when it's done
wipe it's bum
and tell it's mother
what it's done.
Very Happy

There are various versions of this around different parts of the world, just wondered if you have a version of it in oz?

Cheers mate. Merry Christmas
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PostSubject: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal    Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptySun Dec 14, 2014 6:45 am

Hi Martin
The only version I know is politically incorrect , so it's not used anymore ( or any less ! Very Happy ) . I'm sure you'd know of it ?
The one you posted is probably much more modern ? , I'm certain you would know the one I'm referring to ? scratch scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Rorke's Drift Defender Medal   Rorke's Drift Defender Medal EmptySun Dec 14, 2014 11:20 am

Hi Gary.

Yes, I think I have a good idea of the version you refer to.

Cheers buddy.

Merry Christmas
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