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PostSubject: Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine   Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine EmptyFri Jul 21, 2017 9:14 am

36/1051 Pte Cleminson Hine died 12 August 1879 drowned Durban in an accident. Does anyone have any
more details of this accident? Buried with full military honours at Durban. Does anyone have a
picture of his gravestone and which grave yard is it in? On his medal entitlement is shown as Cpl. Does anyone
have a record of his promotion date?
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PostSubject: Re: Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine   Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine EmptyFri Jul 21, 2017 9:37 am

http://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/42803
13th Light Infantry fought at Kambula and Ulundi.
Pretty sure the forum will come up with more info.
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PostSubject: Re: Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine   Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine EmptyFri Jul 21, 2017 10:09 am

applebygypsy,

Corporal Hine was awarded the medal with no clasp, according to the Medal Roll.

Edward D. McToy in his Brief History of the 13th Regiment (P.A.L.I.) in South Africa... does not mention Hine's death, as it appears to have occurred prior to the 1st/13th reaching Durban on 15th August 1879, having returned for the front.  Nor does he feature in McToy's return of casualties of the 1st/13th.

The 1st/13th did have draft of one officer and fifty-seven other-ranks, which had arrived from the U.K. in Durban onboard the Orontes on 4th June 1879, given that I wonder if Hine was a member of that draft.

The memorial to the 1st/13th names him as Corporal Charles Hine, see https://www.warmemorialsonline.org.uk/memorial/252311/


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Hi John Y,

He was officially born Cleminson Hine in the 1st quarter [Jan-Mar] 1850 at Sutton in Macclesfield, Cheshire. He was believed to have been called either Robert or Charles. The Cleminson name was
his mothers surname pre Hine. According to the inscription on the memorial at Macclesfield he was
boarding the ship "Euphrates" bound for England.

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PostSubject: Re: Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine   Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine EmptyFri Jul 21, 2017 11:45 am

Jim,

Again, using McToy as my point of reference, the 1st/13th boarded the Euphrates by means of luggers on 15th August 1879.

I have fired off an e-mail to a mate of mine in Durban, to see if he has the gravestone there photographed already.

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PostSubject: Re: Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine   Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine EmptyFri Jul 21, 2017 2:52 pm

Hi John Y,

Thank you for that. I have also been able to download the Wells Cathedral
pictures from the website you mentioned. Grateful for all the help.

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Jim,

My Durban contact wants to know if you know Cleminson Hine's religion or faith?

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PostSubject: Re: Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine   Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine EmptyFri Jul 21, 2017 3:09 pm

Hi again John Y,

His mother and father were married at an Anglican Church in Liverpool, Lancs. I assume
therefore that is what his family religion must be. Certainly Christian.

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Thanks Jim,

I'll get back to my man in Durban.

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PostSubject: Re: Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine   Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine EmptySun Jul 23, 2017 8:27 am

Jim,

My contact in Durban states that Cleminson Hine is buried in the Wyatt Road Cemetery, also known as the Military Cemetery, Ordnance Road, Durban. The cemetery is close to the Old Fort in Durban.

There is a photographic record of the military graves on https://kznpr.co.za/durban-ordnance-road-military-cemetary/ Sadly, some of the headstones and markers are worn and damaged, and others have been removed.

For general views of the cemetery see http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/12402/DURBAN%20%28ORDNANCE%20ROAD%29%20MILITARY%20CEMETERY

I will obviously update you if he finds something more.

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Hi John Y,

Thank you for your help. I have down loaded the cemetery plan and grave list.
Checked the graves photographs but as you say some are worn, damaged and
illegible. Haven't been to SA or Zimbabwe for a few years now, so it is something
I could possibly plan ahead to do in the future.

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PostSubject: Re: Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine   Death of Pte/Cpl C Hine EmptySun Jul 23, 2017 2:21 pm

Jim,

Funny you should mention Zim' as the bloke who has been helping in Durban came over the Beit Bridge back in late 1970's.

He is going to make some enquiries at the nearby MOTH's Museum to see if they have any older photographs of the gravestones.

If he turns up anything he will notify me.

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Hi John Y,

That would be great if he could come up with an old photo of the grave. Last time
I was at Beit Bridge was on the bus up from from Joburg in 2001. Meeting up with an
old friend and stayed at his place in Chiredzi. He was the Park Warden for Gonarezhou,
Jess Simonsen from Denmark. My other friends the Michaels who were at Mutandahwe
moved to Bulawayo after we left in 1980, but were murdered going to the local bank
shortly after. Did Op Agila from 24 Dec 1979 to 11 Mar 1980, was an RE at Chickore
before moving down to Mutandahwe. Good memories.

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