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PostSubject: Re: ????? Tamamoto Chiyokichi ?????   ????? Tamamoto Chiyokichi ????? EmptyTue Feb 27, 2018 12:21 pm

Apparently we was born about 1857 (in Japan) and married in 1888 (Kennsington) to Elizabeth Booker.

but I am not sure of any military record.

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Mr T Chiyokichi, arrived at Liverpool from NY in 1892, which may be him.

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Hi Simon

Many thanks for the info.

We all know how the papers can be incorrect.

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If he married in 1888, he must have left the country to go on tour and returned in 92 (if the fellow on the passenger list is him).

His 'job' was an acrobat.

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PostSubject: Re: ????? Tamamoto Chiyokichi ?????   ????? Tamamoto Chiyokichi ????? EmptyTue Feb 27, 2018 1:51 pm

Interesting reference.

"My great-grandfather Tamamotto CHIYOKICHI was born around 1857 in Tokyo, Japan. He married Elizabeth Amelia BOOKER in the 2/4 of 1888 in Kensington, London, England. The surname was later truncated to CHIYO. It is speculated that he was perhaps a sailor. He later was a performer- acrobat in the English circus".

Any trace of an AZW sailor PO Tom?

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Hi Steve

From PO Tom's work:-

Ho Sin Chuan (Chinese Naval Officer) is not on the Medal Roll, but is listed on the Ship’s Medical and Surgical Journal 1 April 1879 for “melancholia,” and transferred to Naval Hospital, Simon’s Bay 16 April. From there he was invalided to England and subsequently returned to China. He is on the Navy List (December 1878) as a Foreign Officer serving on a Royal Navy ship (Boadicea).
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PostSubject: Re: ????? Tamamoto Chiyokichi ?????   ????? Tamamoto Chiyokichi ????? EmptyTue Feb 27, 2018 3:30 pm

One of the references to him I have found, to him says he was a 'seaman'

In 1888, he was a gymnast.

In 1911 his wife and a Tomamoto Chiyokicki are living in Harrogate and their daughter (aged 17) in a lodger in London. He is a 'music hall artiste'. He gives his birthplace as Tokyo.

I can't find him in 1901 or 1891 - but given the problems the transcribers may have had with his surname....I'm not surprised.
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