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Blackdog67



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PostSubject: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptyTue Jul 30, 2019 1:51 pm

Does anyone have more information on Private James Chick or know where I might find more information? I think he may be related to me but I need more information such as place of birth or date of birth to be able to confirm this.
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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptyTue Jul 30, 2019 2:26 pm

James Chick 25B/1335
Attested 8/3/1877 Posted to 2nd Battalion at Brecon 11/5/1877. Acted as assistant schoolmaster. Served in the Kaffir War 1978. Served in the Zulu War 1879, a Private in D Company and a patient in the hospital at RD KIA. No trace of a claim for his effects. Buried at RD and has his name on the monument.
Courtesy of The Noble 24th.
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PostSubject: Private James Chick    Private James Chick EmptyTue Jul 30, 2019 4:35 pm

Sorry Blackdog67
I can't find any information on Chick's birthplace or date .
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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptyTue Jul 30, 2019 5:44 pm

looking forward to Thursday Gary?
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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptyTue Jul 30, 2019 9:21 pm

Hi,

I have found about 53 suspects on Ancestry.com.

If you think you are related to JC have you any idea where your family lived at the time to give me a clue?

Ta

Simon
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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptySat Aug 03, 2019 11:48 am

My family were originally from Somerset (West Chinnock/Crewkerne) but in the mid to late 19th Century several members moved to the valleys (near Pontypridd) to work in the mines.
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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptyThu Aug 08, 2019 4:05 pm

Is there any way of finding our how old James Chick was when he died? I have done a free search of the 1871 Census and have found 1 James of approximately the right age in Glamorgan and 3 in Somerset.

Glamorgan

Name: James Chick
Age: 23
Born In: 1848
Profession: Candle Maker

Somerset

Name: James Chick
Age: 14
Born In: 1857
Profession: Labourer

Name: James Chick
Age: 12
Born In: 1859
Profession: Labourer

Name: James Chick
Age: 11
Born In: 1860
Profession: Agricultural Labourer


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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptyThu Aug 08, 2019 6:48 pm

Hi

Glamorgan Chick was still alive in 1881, still making candles.....

Will try finding others...

ta

Simon

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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptyThu Aug 08, 2019 7:12 pm

Hi

Had a quick glance at the later census's and it would seem (and I must stress I am only an amateur at this stuff):-

1857 Chick died in 1935
1859 Chick moved to Yorkshire was still alive in 1911
1860 chick was still alive in 1881

Incidentally a (or more than one) James Chick was imprisoned twice or three times in Somerset around the 1870s (larceny x2 and Grievous wounding)

Given the fact that he acted as schoolmaster - he must have had some education......this does not mean (of course) that all 'labourers' were illiterate

Unless some one can find out his age when he attested, it will be hard to get his age - I would assume that being in the 2nd/24th - he would have been a younger soldier - so I would look for someone around the early to mid twenties (but this is only my gut feeling and not gospel)

You need a chick in the 1871 census around the right age (14-16) - who is not in the 1881 census (Check the LDS genealogy webpages - they have the 81 census on line for free - or used to have) - its a pain but you just have to cross reference them.


Ta

Simon
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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptySat Aug 10, 2019 3:20 pm

Thanks so much for the above info guys. I'll keep looking!
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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptySun Aug 11, 2019 7:20 am

Hi

You have to register but it appears to be 'free' (it used to be years ago)

https://www.familysearch.org/en/

Just out of interest, in Britain, you had to register births, marriages & deaths (after 1837) - what if the death was a soldier on active service?

Were these individuals not registered or would they have been registered, (for example) as if at their depot base?

In my own family tree I have two distant relations who died in WW1 - and apart from the military records, they do not seem to be 'registered' in the normal way

Thanks

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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptySun Aug 11, 2019 9:19 am

Just a thought, is there any entry for Pte. Chick in the Date became ineffective section of the Pay & Muster Roll of the 2nd/24th?  Sometimes that reveals further information.

JY
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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptySun Aug 11, 2019 11:43 am

Hi,

Assuming that:-

A) Chick was his real name
B) James was his real name or his first name and not the name he preferred
C) He knew how to spell his own surname - he was a assistant schoolteacher.

James Chicks born 1857 - 1861

1861, 1871 and finally 1881 (obviously not him)

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This info is taken from Ancestry.com and census's were not 100% accurate due to being transcribed at various stages (sometimes apparently by prisoners?), accents, illiteracy of people filling them in and them not being so obsessed by 'age' as we are now (my Great Grandfather altered his age depending on the age of his wives - shaving a bit off each time he married a younger woman!)

Ta

Simon



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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptySun Aug 11, 2019 12:52 pm

John

It is a good lead - this would be in WO16-1579 in the National Archives. I wonder why neither Norman Holme nor Alan Baynham-Jones spotted this entry on the ineffective section of the pay & muster roll. It would have given his place of birth as you point out. I do not have a copy of this roll. Perhaps Bill Sherriff who has done considerable work in recent months on these rolls could help.

Chick was at the 25th Bde Depot (Brecon) from 3.3.1877 to 1.5.1877 when he was posted to 2/24th. I have found nothing relating to him in the local Welsh newspapers at the time - yes, he is listed a casualty at RD - but there is no family entry for him. Perhaps he was a Somerset lad - but J C Kenworthy who wrote about Somersets' role in AZW did not list him. It is possible that he enlisted under an alias - some 5-10% of recruits did in those days.
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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptySun Aug 11, 2019 1:39 pm

Interesting enough - the James Cheek (servant in the 1871 census) joined the army in 1877 - into the 36th regiment.
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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptySun Aug 11, 2019 2:25 pm

Kenny,

Any idea how long Chick’s effects would have been advertised for in The London Gazette?

JY
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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptyWed Aug 21, 2019 10:19 pm

Hi,

Sorry only just saw this early today. The information contained in the Effects & Credits section of the 2/24th pay-lists for their time in Africa is, unfortunately, somewhat sparse.

They rarely contain the Place of Birth, Trade or Enlistment date which you would normally expect. The casualties for the 22nd January have only Number, Rank, Name with initial rather than full name, with Killed In Action and the date. The majority have Isandlwana as a place, even some of those killed at Rorke's Drift. (including Pte Chick).

He appears directly as a Private in the pay-list from the 8th March 1877, he is not shown in any recruits section or listings as you would expect if he was recruited in the 25th Bde area. The service number sequence for the pay period October 76 to March 77 runs from the mid 800's to about 1400 indicating some increase in recruiting.

There are quite a few soldiers appearing directly in the pay-list and not in the recruits section, with similar service numbers to Pte Chick. This could POSSIBLY mean they were recruited in another district and transferred over, thus they were not native to South Wales (or at least the Brecon district). I believe recruits were still subject to General Service, although they could indicate a preference for a particular Regiment, the needs of the Army dictated where they were posted. I have seen other Brigade District pay-lists for a particular Regiment which listed other recruits for different Bde areas, including a number for the 25th Bde, so it is a possibility he lived elsewhere.

There is nothing in the remarks column against his name, until the April to June 1877 quarter list where he is posted to the 2nd Battalion.

Sorry, unless someone chances across another Brigade Depot list with his name, there is not a great deal more the Regimental records can say, it was just not fully recorded.

Bill
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PostSubject: Re: Private James Chick   Private James Chick EmptySat Nov 09, 2019 10:56 pm

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A possible, from WO 12/10264 37th Bde Depot (includes 36th Bde 13th Regt at Taunton)not sure if it's Chick or Cheek. Not in the next depot list but will have to check 13th's paylist to see if he was there. Bit annoying as I had the 13th Regt ledger out from that period today to check Mounted Infantry entries , just didn't join the dots.

Third from bottom on Depot strength from 19th to 29th January 1877 enlisted King's Brompton near Dulverton Somerset
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