Latest topics | » William Jones CommentTue Oct 22, 2024 11:31 pm by Eddie » Isandhlwana unaccounted for casualtiesTue Oct 22, 2024 8:40 pm by JackFinn » Studies in the Zulu War volume VI now availableTue Oct 22, 2024 12:21 pm by Julian Whybra » Another Actor related to the Degacher-Hitchcock familyMon Oct 21, 2024 1:07 pm by Stefaan » No. 799 George Williams and his son-in-law No. 243 Thomas NewmanSat Oct 19, 2024 12:36 pm by Dash » Alphonse de Neuville- Painting the Defence of Rorke's DriftFri Oct 18, 2024 8:34 am by Stefaan » Studies in the Zulu War volumesWed Oct 16, 2024 3:26 pm by Julian Whybra » Martini Henry carbine IC1 markingsMon Oct 14, 2024 10:48 pm by Parkerbloggs » James Conner 1879 claspMon Oct 14, 2024 7:12 pm by Kenny » 80th REG of Foot (Staffords)Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:07 pm by shadeswolf » Frontier Light Horse uniformSun Oct 13, 2024 8:12 pm by Schlaumeier » Gelsthorpe, G. 1374 Private 1/24th / Scott, Sidney W. 521 Private 1/24thSun Oct 13, 2024 1:00 pm by Dash » A Bullet BibleSat Oct 12, 2024 8:33 am by Julian Whybra » Brothers SearsFri Oct 11, 2024 7:17 pm by Eddie » Zulu War Medal MHS TamarFri Oct 11, 2024 3:48 pm by philip c » Ford Park Cemetery, Plymouth.Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:15 pm by rai » Shipping - transport in the AZWSun Oct 06, 2024 10:47 pm by Bill8183 » 1879 South Africa Medal named 1879 BARSun Oct 06, 2024 12:41 pm by Dash » A note on Captain Norris Edward Davey, Natal Volunteer Staff.Sun Oct 06, 2024 12:16 pm by Julian Whybra » Isandlwana papers he,d by the RE museum Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:06 am by 90th » An Irish V.C. conundrum?Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:51 am by Julian Whybra » William Moore / William Potter 24th RegimentThu Sep 26, 2024 3:04 pm by Dash » Stalybridge men in the 24thThu Sep 26, 2024 2:24 pm by Dash » Grave of Henry SpaldingWed Sep 25, 2024 3:24 pm by Kenny » Thomas P Kensole and James J MitchellMon Sep 23, 2024 4:04 pm by Samnoco » flocking stands to historical accuracySun Sep 22, 2024 8:05 pm by GCameron » Private 25B/483 Joseph Phelan 1/24th RegimentFri Sep 20, 2024 5:22 pm by Dash » Updated list of Zulu War Veterans who came to Australia or New ZealandFri Sep 20, 2024 12:31 am by krish » A story regarding Younghusband's charge. Hearsay or a possibility? Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:26 pm by Julian Whybra » Nine of the 24thThu Sep 19, 2024 10:24 am by Julian Whybra » Colour Sergeant 2296 James Hannon HawkinsThu Sep 19, 2024 8:00 am by Samnoco » S.S. Solway Campbell/O'Keefe/Quigley 24th RegimentWed Sep 18, 2024 8:56 pm by Dash » Private 25B/2185 Owen Salmons alias Martin MacNamara? 1/24thWed Sep 18, 2024 8:44 pm by Bill8183 » Fort Evelyn and the grave of the 58th Regiment Drum MajorSun Sep 15, 2024 5:59 pm by 1879graves » Telescope v. field glassesSun Sep 15, 2024 10:20 am by 90th |
October 2024 | Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Fri | Sat | Sun |
---|
| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | | | | Calendar |
|
Top posting users this month | |
New topics | » Isandhlwana unaccounted for casualtiesTue Oct 22, 2024 8:40 pm by JackFinn » No. 799 George Williams and his son-in-law No. 243 Thomas NewmanFri Oct 18, 2024 5:05 pm by Dash » Another Actor related to the Degacher-Hitchcock familyFri Oct 18, 2024 8:54 am by Stefaan » James Conner 1879 claspMon Oct 14, 2024 8:54 am by peterconner » Frontier Light Horse uniformSun Oct 13, 2024 8:12 pm by Schlaumeier » 80th REG of Foot (Staffords)Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:39 pm by shadeswolf » Gelsthorpe, G. 1374 Private 1/24th / Scott, Sidney W. 521 Private 1/24thSun Oct 13, 2024 1:00 pm by Dash » Martini Henry carbine IC1 markingsSat Oct 12, 2024 11:03 am by Parkerbloggs » Alphonse de Neuville- Painting the Defence of Rorke's DriftThu Oct 10, 2024 10:14 am by Stefaan |
Zero tolerance to harassment and bullying. |
Due to recent events on this forum, we have now imposed a zero tolerance to harassment and bullying. All reports will be treated seriously, and will lead to a permanent ban of both membership and IP address.
Any member blatantly corresponding in a deliberate and provoking manner will be removed from the forum as quickly as possible after the event.
If any members are being harassed behind the scenes PM facility by any member/s here at 1879zuluwar.com please do not hesitate to forward the offending text.
We are all here to communicate and enjoy the various discussions and information on the Anglo Zulu War of 1879. Opinions will vary, you will agree and disagree with one another, we will have debates, and so it goes.
There is no excuse for harassment or bullying of anyone by another person on this site.
The above applies to the main frame areas of the forum.
The ring which is the last section on the forum, is available to those members who wish to partake in slagging matches. That section cannot be viewed by guests and only viewed by members that wish to do so. |
Fair Use Notice | Fair use notice.
This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner.
We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes.
We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website.
If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution. |
|
| Help with Grave Inscription. | |
|
+5joe John johann engelbrecht impi ADMIN 9 posters | Author | Message |
---|
ADMIN
Posts : 4358 Join date : 2008-11-01 Age : 65 Location : KENT
| Subject: Help with Grave Inscription. Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:25 pm | |
| I have placed this photo in the General Discussion Area for now. This grave is located in the Lüneburg Cemetery. Can anyone make out the inscription? [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Photo: By Johann Engelbrecht. Johann if I have this wrong please correct me. |
| | | impi
Posts : 2308 Join date : 2010-07-02 Age : 44
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:47 pm | |
| Sorry. Can't make it out. |
| | | johann engelbrecht
Posts : 108 Join date : 2010-06-06 Age : 61 Location : Piet Retief
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:15 pm | |
|
- Correct, the soldier died of disease, while stationed at Lüneburg. The name is not clear, I shall try to enlarge the photo and see whether the inscription becomes more legible!
|
| | | John
Posts : 2558 Join date : 2009-04-06 Age : 62 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:18 pm | |
| I think the last 5 letters of the surname is CKRILL? |
| | | joe
Posts : 600 Join date : 2010-01-07 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:44 pm | |
| Hi I can make out that he died age 20 years.
thanks joe |
| | | johann engelbrecht
Posts : 108 Join date : 2010-06-06 Age : 61 Location : Piet Retief
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:46 pm | |
| I seem to decifer " COGCRILL who died at Luneberg on Dec 18th 1879" [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] ( should this be 1878, since no more soldiers were left in Dec 1879, whereas the first garrison already arrive there on 19th Oct 1878 with Capt Clery , Two companies of the 90Th with Fort Clery being constructed in Nov 1878! |
| | | Dave
Posts : 1603 Join date : 2009-09-21
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:09 pm | |
| "At Lüneburg the remains of the British Fort Clery can still be seen as well as the graves of several British soldiers who fell during the Zulu War - including those of two soldiers who got killed long after the end of the war in September, probably the last casualties of the Zulu War !
Although no battles or skirmishes took place in this area during the Anglo-Boer War , both Boer and German settlers were involved , many of the woman and children being interned in concentration camps in Volksrust. The men taking part in action further south"
Could be the name of a German settler. |
| | | johann engelbrecht
Posts : 108 Join date : 2010-06-06 Age : 61 Location : Piet Retief
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:59 pm | |
| Definetly not, Dave! This section of the graveyard is enclosed seperately from the settlers graveyard, in which all the graves have typical cross shaped tombstones with German inscriptions. This gravestone has at the bottom an inscription of some British regiment that seems to have erected it. Could be the 58th (not clear). The second line also seems to indicate that the soldier belonged to the 90th REG, which would fit in with the dates mentioned above when Capt Clery with 2 Coy's spend some time in Lüneburg. |
| | | rai
Posts : 1085 Join date : 2009-10-16
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:54 pm | |
| Hi All, It reads to me, segt p Cockrill ----- Regt Died at Luneberg 19th ----- 1879 aged 29? years erected by 'D' Coy ----- th Regt
Rai Keynshamlighthorse |
| | | littlehand
Posts : 7076 Join date : 2009-04-24 Age : 56 Location : Down South.
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:10 pm | |
| Rai. Was you able to make that out from the photo. Or did you have another source. |
| | | Dave
Posts : 1603 Join date : 2009-09-21
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:19 pm | |
| Nice one Rai. I have spent all afternoon trying to work it out. Taking images of it, using various tools to improve the image. - Quote :
- “Aged 29?
Years” I had 20? |
| | | joe
Posts : 600 Join date : 2010-01-07 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:15 am | |
| I had 20 years aswell. |
| | | johann engelbrecht
Posts : 108 Join date : 2010-06-06 Age : 61 Location : Piet Retief
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:22 am | |
| Can anybody check on the medal roll list for the 90th for such a name? Died on 19th Dec 1878(9) |
| | | 1879graves
Posts : 3384 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:05 pm | |
| Hi johann engelbrecht I have checked the 90th roll and could not find that name. I thought I'd read 58th Regt on the grave, so I have checked the roll for the 58th and come up with two names, Corporal F Cockerill and Private J Cockerill both spelt with an E |
| | | johann engelbrecht
Posts : 108 Join date : 2010-06-06 Age : 61 Location : Piet Retief
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:11 pm | |
| Having had a good look again, I would go for the Corporal F Cockerill and do agree with the 58th at the bottom. Was the 58th ever stationed at Lüneburg in Dec 1879? What were they doing there? |
| | | 1879graves
Posts : 3384 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:22 pm | |
| A single battalion regiment, the 58th left two detached companies in Natal under Major General Clifford as part of the lines of communications guard. Aside from a few men who served with the mounted infantry the rest of the battalion was assigned to Lord Chelmsford's Ulundi Column which was to spearhead the second invasion. As the column advanced into Zululand two additional companies were detailed as the garrison of the newly built Fort Evelyn. The remaining companies were present during Chelmsford's final victory at Ulundi on 4 July, 1879.
The 58th remained in Natal after the end of the Anglo-Zulu War and took part in the Transvaal War against the Boers in 1880-81. It was during this campaign that the 58th became the 2nd battalion of the newly organized Northamptonshire Regiment. It was during that Transvaal War that the 58th became the last British battalion to carry its colours into battle. |
| | | johann engelbrecht
Posts : 108 Join date : 2010-06-06 Age : 61 Location : Piet Retief
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:32 pm | |
| That does make some sense, but what werthey doing in Lüneburg. The date 19th Dec 1879 is thus correct. Never too old to learn!!! |
| | | johann engelbrecht
Posts : 108 Join date : 2010-06-06 Age : 61 Location : Piet Retief
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:48 am | |
| Has anybody checked on the medal roll list of the 58th for Cpl F Cockrill and what his story is? [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] c |
| | | 1879graves
Posts : 3384 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:57 pm | |
| Hi johann I have checked the medal roll and these are my findings Private J Cockerill was infact George Cockerill, he deserted on September 1879, was caught on 30th December 1881. Cpl F Cockrill is listed on the medal roll as DEAD but no year [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] |
| | | johann engelbrecht
Posts : 108 Join date : 2010-06-06 Age : 61 Location : Piet Retief
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:11 pm | |
| Thanks 1879graves! Sure it must be Cpl F Cockrill. Well still a mystery to be solved, as to the circumstances of his death and what he and his Coy were doing in Lüneburg in Dec of 1879! |
| | | Dave
Posts : 1603 Join date : 2009-09-21
| Subject: Re: Help with Grave Inscription. Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:17 pm | |
| I bet Graves solves the mystery. |
| | | | Help with Grave Inscription. | |
|
Similar topics | |
|
| Permissions in this forum: | You cannot reply to topics in this forum
| |
| |
| |