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PostSubject: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed   Memorial Inscription - Help Needed EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 7:06 pm

Hi All

This Memorial / Grave is located in Utrecht Old cemetery and was to the 4th Regiment.

Does anyone know or can read the inscription below?

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PostSubject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed   Memorial Inscription - Help Needed EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 7:13 pm

If it was erected by the 4th Kings Own to fallen comrades in the Zulu War, isn't there a way to check a casualty list to get an idea of the names on the memorial ? A few surnames can be made out, but using the aforementioned list would assist greatly in deciphering the rest. Idea
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Is this any better.

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PostSubject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed   Memorial Inscription - Help Needed EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 7:39 pm

I think i can see a

Darwell


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Hope this helps

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PostSubject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed   Memorial Inscription - Help Needed EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 8:00 pm

Erected by the 4th Kings Own.
In Memory of their comrades who died in South Africa
Zulu War 1879

Meybury
Davis
Jones
Ottoway ???
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W. Hunt
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PostSubject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed   Memorial Inscription - Help Needed EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 9:21 pm

Hi All

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PostSubject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed   Memorial Inscription - Help Needed EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 9:53 pm

Had a go a trying to fill in lettering, some i couldn't make out. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed   Memorial Inscription - Help Needed EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 10:55 pm

How about these?

Left Side
Newbury
Davis
Jones
Ottoway
Murphy
Manton
Brooker
Halliday

Right Side
Foote
Hunt
Briggs
Dunne
B. Darwell
T. Barber
S. Freeman


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PostSubject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed   Memorial Inscription - Help Needed EmptyThu Oct 27, 2011 3:48 pm

I've been checking John Young's They Fell Like Stones and the net, trying to find a casualty list for the 4th King's Own, but with no luck. Even if these men were seconded to another regiment, I.M.I. or Special Service Officers, they'd still be listed as from the 4th King's Own in records wouldn't they ? scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed   Memorial Inscription - Help Needed EmptyThu Oct 27, 2011 4:04 pm

I think it says 1899 not 1879, as they were apparently at the relief of Ladysmith during the Boer War.
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PostSubject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed   Memorial Inscription - Help Needed EmptyThu Oct 27, 2011 4:17 pm

Even though it clearly states "ZULU WAR"
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PostSubject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed   Memorial Inscription - Help Needed EmptyThu Oct 27, 2011 4:21 pm

24th, that's what puzzles me Suspect If we could find the casualty list for that regiment from the Boer War 1899, to compare with the names on the memorial, then we'd be able to clarify this part. Otherwise, there must be a Zulu War casualty roll existing that includes their names. scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed   Memorial Inscription - Help Needed EmptyThu Oct 27, 2011 4:36 pm

I'm mistaken. I've just found 2 names on page 214 of John's book, K.I.A. 8th September 1879 - Sergeant-Major E. Smith and Corporal I. Pomfret. I'll look over the book again.
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PostSubject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed   Memorial Inscription - Help Needed EmptyThu Oct 27, 2011 5:32 pm

The following three 2/4th Regiment soldiers are listed in the medal roll as having 'Died on Service';

Pte. B. Halliday (died Grey Town 16th March 1879 - also listed as Pte. H. Halli?)
Pte. W. Hunt (died Pietermaritzburg 16th April 1879)
Pte. P. Murphy (died Utrecht 8th March 1879)

Seems strange that Sergeant Major Smith & Cpl. Pomfret are not listed in the same roll as having died, bearing in mind they were officially KIA.

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910 Corporal I. Pomfret - killed in action at Luneberg 8 September 1879
1644 Sergeant-Major E. Smith - killed in action at Luneberg 8 September 1879
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DARWELL - BARBER - BROOKS - DAVIS - DUNN - FOOTE - FREEMAN - GRIGGS - HALLIDAY - HUNT - JONES - MANTON - MURRAY - NEWBURY - OTTOWAY - COCKLING - GARLAND - BENNETT - CHARLTON - COLES - ENGLAND - FOWLES - MACEY - MOONEY - WAYGOOD - WEEBLE - WEIGHTMAN - YOUNG - WEATHERER - HAMILTON - MULLINS - WATSON - PHILLMORE
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littlehand,

Great find!

Idea Idea Idea


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PostSubject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed   Memorial Inscription - Help Needed EmptyThu Oct 27, 2011 7:16 pm

I should have added this regarding Smith & Pomfret's deaths in John's book - 'During a skirmish with Manyayoba kaMaqondo's forces, the Tafelberg Stronghold'.
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Hi all ,
There is a thread on Pomfret and Smith on the forum , one or either of the two's medals were for sale a while back.
They were the last casualties of the 1879 war .
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Smith and Pomfrett lie buried in the Luneburg Lutheran Church graveyard and have therefor not been mentioned on the Utrecht memorial. This was covered under another thread on the forum, where mention was made that they should be considered as the last casualties of the Zulu War! Photo of memorial shown in that thread.
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