Memorial Inscription - Help Needed

Posts : 3379 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon

Hi All

This Memorial / Grave is located in Utrecht Old cemetery and was to the 4th Regiment.

Does anyone know or can read the inscription below?

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If it was erected by the 4th Kings Own to fallen comrades in the Zulu War, isn't there a way to check a casualty list to get an idea of the names on the memorial ? A few surnames can be made out, but using the aforementioned list would assist greatly in deciphering the rest. Idea

Subject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:32 pm

Is this any better.

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Posts : 2008 Join date : 2011-08-01 Age : 27

I think i can see a

Darwell

Freeman

Barber

Hope this helps

Cheers
DB14

Subject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:00 pm

Erected by the 4th Kings Own.
In Memory of their comrades who died in South Africa
Zulu War 1879

Meybury
Davis
Jones
Ottoway ???
Murray
Banton
Poole
W. Hunt
Griggs
Dunn
B. Barwell
T. Barber
S. Freeman

Posts : 3379 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon

Hi All

A bigger and better image

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Posts : 2308 Join date : 2010-07-02 Age : 44

Had a go a trying to fill in lettering, some i couldn't make out. Rolling Eyes

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Guest

How about these?

Left Side
Newbury
Davis
Jones
Ottoway
Murphy
Manton
Brooker
Halliday

Right Side
Foote
Hunt
Briggs
Dunne
B. Darwell
T. Barber
S. Freeman

Petty Officer Tom

Guest

I've been checking John Young's They Fell Like Stones and the net, trying to find a casualty list for the 4th King's Own, but with no luck. Even if these men were seconded to another regiment, I.M.I. or Special Service Officers, they'd still be listed as from the 4th King's Own in records wouldn't they ? scratch

Guest

I think it says 1899 not 1879, as they were apparently at the relief of Ladysmith during the Boer War.

Posts : 1862 Join date : 2009-03-25

Even though it clearly states "ZULU WAR"

Guest

24th, that's what puzzles me Suspect

If we could find the casualty list for that regiment from the Boer War 1899, to compare with the names on the memorial, then we'd be able to clarify this part. Otherwise, there must be a Zulu War casualty roll existing that includes their names. scratch

Guest

I'm mistaken. I've just found 2 names on page 214 of John's book, K.I.A. 8th September 1879 - Sergeant-Major E. Smith and Corporal I. Pomfret. I'll look over the book again.

Posts : 305 Join date : 2011-10-18 Location : Cornwall

The following three 2/4th Regiment soldiers are listed in the medal roll as having 'Died on Service';

Pte. B. Halliday (died Grey Town 16th March 1879 - also listed as Pte. H. Halli?)
Pte. W. Hunt (died Pietermaritzburg 16th April 1879)
Pte. P. Murphy (died Utrecht 8th March 1879)

Seems strange that Sergeant Major Smith & Cpl. Pomfret are not listed in the same roll as having died, bearing in mind they were officially KIA.

Regards,

Tim

Posts : 1862 Join date : 2009-03-25

910 Corporal I. Pomfret - killed in action at Luneberg 8 September 1879
1644 Sergeant-Major E. Smith - killed in action at Luneberg 8 September 1879

Subject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:52 pm

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DARWELL - BARBER - BROOKS - DAVIS - DUNN - FOOTE - FREEMAN - GRIGGS - HALLIDAY - HUNT - JONES - MANTON - MURRAY - NEWBURY - OTTOWAY - COCKLING - GARLAND - BENNETT - CHARLTON - COLES - ENGLAND - FOWLES - MACEY - MOONEY - WAYGOOD - WEEBLE - WEIGHTMAN - YOUNG - WEATHERER - HAMILTON - MULLINS - WATSON - PHILLMORE

Subject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:58 pm

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Some others from the same memorial. Idea

Guest

littlehand,

Great find!

Idea

Petty Officer Tom

Posts : 3379 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon

Hi All

Many thanks for all your Help Idea

Guest

I should have added this regarding Smith & Pomfret's deaths in John's book - 'During a skirmish with Manyayoba kaMaqondo's forces, the Tafelberg Stronghold'.

Subject: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:41 am

Hi all ,
There is a thread on Pomfret and Smith on the forum , one or either of the two's medals were for sale a while back.
They were the last casualties of the 1879 war .
cheers 90th.

Subject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:05 pm

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Subject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:30 pm

Smith and Pomfrett lie buried in the Luneburg Lutheran Church graveyard and have therefor not been mentioned on the Utrecht memorial. This was covered under another thread on the forum, where mention was made that they should be considered as the last casualties of the Zulu War! Photo of memorial shown in that thread.

Subject: Re: Memorial Inscription - Help Needed Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:04 pm

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