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PostSubject: Different Bugle Calls   Different Bugle Calls EmptyMon Sep 02, 2013 10:26 pm

Does anyone know the different bugle calls that would have been used. To let others know what was taking place?
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PostSubject: Re: Different Bugle Calls   Different Bugle Calls EmptyMon Sep 02, 2013 10:52 pm

Possibly changed, but who knows! Here's some and what they signify.
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PostSubject: Re: Different Bugle Calls   Different Bugle Calls EmptyMon Sep 02, 2013 10:55 pm

24th,

Take a look at "The Farmers Boys" site:

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24th I asked the same question not long after I joined here , unfortunately no one knew then and I'm supposing it'll be the same now . I think one of Ian Knights books mentions the types of Bugle calls as used in that era but dont have any idea where I saw it ! . I'm guessing to a certain degree , but , I think the number of different calls is around 10 , possibly more ? , I do remember thinking I'd never remember all of them ! .
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Hi Jimu .
Our posts crossed , Yes , I remember that site , I think it's on here already from memory !
Thanks for the link ( possibly again ! )
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PostSubject: Different Bugle Calls    Different Bugle Calls EmptyMon Sep 02, 2013 11:15 pm

I cant seem to find the one used in Zulu Dawn , I think it was called ' Stand To ' . The bugle call used in Zulu Dawn to assemble ( stand to ) the troops , is it an actual British army call ? . I think the same tune is used in Zulu when Baker says to the Bugler before he plays it , Spit Boy , Spit ? .
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PostSubject: Re: Different Bugle Calls   Different Bugle Calls EmptyMon Sep 02, 2013 11:17 pm

Anyone know what " Defaulters" are in the army.
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PostSubject: Different Bugle Calls    Different Bugle Calls EmptyMon Sep 02, 2013 11:20 pm

I forgot to say I suppose the calls have come and gone over the years or changed notes during time . I suppose we may never know for sure what or which calls were sounded on the 22nd Jan 79 . Sad 
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PostSubject: Different Bugle Calls    Different Bugle Calls EmptyMon Sep 02, 2013 11:22 pm

Hi Littlehand .
Defaulters I think are those up on charges or about to be charged with an offence or something similar . Happy to be corrected by our serving bretheren . Salute 
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PostSubject: Different Bugle Calls    Different Bugle Calls EmptyTue Sep 03, 2013 8:20 pm

Hi 90th,

You are correct regarding 'Defaulters', this is the call sounded to summon those who are charged with an offence.

The call used in Zulu Dawn (over & over again) to rally the men is the 'Alert' (as ordered by Denholm Elliot/Pulleine) - not sure if there are any differences in its use in the army but in the Royal Navy/Royal Marines it was usually played once to attract the attention of the men, followed by whatever call needs to be relayed (i.e. 'Defaulters' or 'Fall in' for example).

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PostSubject: Re: Different Bugle Calls   Different Bugle Calls EmptyTue Sep 03, 2013 9:42 pm

Thanks Tim, interesting stuff! 

Do you know if the Bugle sounds are the same as they're was back then? 

I take it will still have defaulters ?
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PostSubject: Re: Different Bugle Calls   Different Bugle Calls EmptyTue Sep 03, 2013 9:58 pm

Here is an anecdote from Bob Martin who was apparently a still photographer on the “Zulu” set.

…… “During the filming of Zulu Nigel was extremely thoughtful and kind to me when I was laid low for some time during filming with a bout of tick-bite-fever. Both he and Charles Parker, our key make-up man, would visit me after dinner every evening to cheer me up, to bring me a much needed night-cap and to give me a situation-report on filming and the latest ‘gossip’ on the set.”
“During the early days of shooting, during a break, he and I went over to Ladysmith’s Zulu War museum one day, not only to familiarize ourselves with the historic facts of the war but also to give him some inspiration for his role as a Colour-Sergeant in the 24th Welsh Borderers regiment.” Shocked Shocked (Someone please administer oxygen to Martin at this point)
“In one of the glass cabinets of the museum we noticed a beautiful, commemorative silk handkerchief. It had apparently been issued to all the men involved in the Zulu War. In the center of the handkerchief were sketches, depicting red-coated soldiers and also Zulu warriors, illustrating the various forms of Zulu attack and how to repel them, it also had, ‘God save the Queen’ printed in the center. On all four sides of the border of the handkerchief were musical notes that were embroidered as “bugle calls to be used in battle”.”
“Nigel, who was also an accomplished musician and pianist, was fascinated and asked if he could copy these musical annotations. The curator was most accommodating and so off we went to a nearby stationary shop where we bought some blank sheet music onto which he painstakingly copied all of them.”
“On our way back to the hotel I mentioned to Nigel in passing, that I had been a ‘ships-bugler’ in the Navy. “Why don’t you have a go at blowing them for the film’s sound-track,” he said, which is exactly what we did.”
“I hadn’t blown a bugle for 22 years but after a few days intensive practice on the regimental ‘prop’ bugle Claude Hitchcock, who was the chief sound man on the picture, his crew and I went up into ‘The Gorge’ for good ‘echo acoustics’ where we laid a special sound-track on which I identified each call before blowing it.”
“I am pleased that these bugle calls of mine were eventually used, as is, in the final sound-editing of Zulu during post-production at Shepperton.”
“Nigel’s career was sadly cut short when he died from an accidental overdose of sleeping pills in 1972, aged just 47. There is conjecture whether it was suicide as he was estranged from his wife, Patricia Marmont at the time as well as being depressed at the state of his career. I remember him, simply, as my friend.”

I know it’s a little long but I thought it was pretty interesting.  So if we could find one of the handkerchiefs he mentions maybe we would have the period calls?? Either way it would be fun to track one down.
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Fascinating. That's for posting. The hunt beings:r;:
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LOL, LOL, LOL.

Thanks Jeff, oxygen received, I am now in recovery mode drinking a can of Beer, Very Happy 

It would be great if one of those handkerchiefs could be found.

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PostSubject: Different Bugle Calls    Different Bugle Calls EmptyWed Sep 04, 2013 5:36 am

Hi Tim .
Thanks for the heads up much appreciated .
Hi Jeff.
Thanks for sharing the post , certainly interesting stuff . Salute 
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PostSubject: Re: Different Bugle Calls   Different Bugle Calls EmptyWed Sep 04, 2013 8:11 am

Ive seen a picture of that hanky over the last few days. desperatly trying to think where?

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Springy try your back pocket ! . LOL.
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I know you collect the journals of the AZWHS, have a look at the cover of 2008, is that the Hanky in question?

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PostSubject: Different Bugle Calls   Different Bugle Calls EmptyWed Sep 04, 2013 1:09 pm

Umm, from bugle calls to snot rags, anyway, does anyone remember the bugle call, "come to the cookhouse door boys, come to the cookhouse door"? I think that was sounded when grub was up, LOL.
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PostSubject: Different Bugle Calls    Different Bugle Calls EmptyWed Sep 04, 2013 1:41 pm

Hi Springy
Unfortunately I only have the hard copies up to 2004 , 16 Editions .
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PostSubject: Different Bugle Calls    Different Bugle Calls EmptyWed Sep 04, 2013 3:51 pm

From memory Springy I think that design is something to do with Charlie Harford ?? . I think it's his handywork ! Did you check your back pocket LOL.
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PostSubject: Different Bugle Calls    Different Bugle Calls EmptyWed Sep 04, 2013 4:05 pm

Hi John,

The bugle calls still used today would have certainly been used in the Victorian army/navy to mean the same thing; of course calls used today are for purely ceremonial reasons (such as 'Sunset', 'The Last Post' etc.)

Originally there were around 150 different calls (certainly in the Royal Marines), each one signifying a different order or instruction in camp or at sea; of course only a handful of those remain today and so calls like 'Defaulters' will no longer be used.

Hope this helps.

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No room in the back pocket, filled to overflowing with a wallet Rolling Eyes 

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Tim Needham wrote:
Hi John,

The bugle calls still used today would have certainly been used in the Victorian army/navy to mean the same thing; of course calls used today are for purely ceremonial reasons (such as 'Sunset', 'The Last Post' etc.)

Originally there were around 150 different calls (certainly in the Royal Marines), each one signifying a different order or instruction in camp or at sea; of course only a handful of those remain today and so calls like 'Defaulters' will no longer be used.

Hope this helps.

Tim
Very much so! Thanks Tim. By the way are you still out in SA?
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Hi Springy .
Overflowing is it ! , my understanding is that's about to change ! . You need to study mo  You need to study mo 
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PostSubject: Different Bugle Calls    Different Bugle Calls EmptyThu Sep 05, 2013 3:35 am

Hi Springy .
I've checked the ' Harford ' book and it seems I was on the money , the design you posted the other day is indeed the Cover Design of Charlie Harford's Journal of the AZW . Check page 106 .
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