WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu Dawn quote: “Excuse me, my Lord, there's something I must convey to you. I rode along the track down to Rorke's Drift. The sky above is red with fire. Your orders my Lord? Do we move to the drift?”
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» Henry William Longcast, Interpreter.
The battle would not take place ! EmptyTue Oct 27, 2020 9:29 am by John Young

» Officers of the 1st Battalion, 24th Regiment circa 1868
The battle would not take place ! EmptyMon Oct 26, 2020 11:31 pm by John Young

» HMS Active RMA and Kroomen duties
The battle would not take place ! EmptySat Oct 24, 2020 10:39 pm by Herbie

» Famous death?
The battle would not take place ! EmptySat Oct 24, 2020 3:38 pm by Frank Allewell

» N/5 Battery RA at Isandlwana
The battle would not take place ! EmptySat Oct 24, 2020 10:20 am by SRB1965

» The Pickets on Mkwene
The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Oct 23, 2020 11:30 am by Frank Allewell

» Durnford's medical officer
The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Oct 23, 2020 9:51 am by Julian Whybra

» Victorian HMS SHAH South Africa Zulu Wars Medal William Morrison Royal Navy
The battle would not take place ! EmptyThu Oct 22, 2020 5:37 pm by Danny1960

» 1st Battalion, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment, 1875
The battle would not take place ! EmptyMon Oct 19, 2020 12:29 pm by John Young

» The 'other' fighting clerk - Corporal JH Mayor, N.N.C
The battle would not take place ! EmptySat Oct 17, 2020 5:07 am by Frank Allewell

» Somerset soldiers killed at Isandhlwana
The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Oct 16, 2020 9:08 am by Julian Whybra

» "The Wiltshire Regiment 1756-1914"
The battle would not take place ! EmptySat Oct 10, 2020 4:46 am by kaveman

» The Unknown Warrior Westminster Abbey
The battle would not take place ! EmptyWed Oct 07, 2020 3:06 pm by ADMIN

» Lance Corporal Robert Eaton NMP
The battle would not take place ! EmptyTue Oct 06, 2020 2:12 pm by Julian Whybra

» Lieutenant Anthony Kingscote, HMS Tenedos
The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Oct 02, 2020 3:31 pm by Petty Officer Tom

» Sir Robert Gordon Gilmour
The battle would not take place ! EmptyThu Oct 01, 2020 4:22 pm by 90th

» William De Passey, 17th Lancers.1879.
The battle would not take place ! EmptyThu Oct 01, 2020 11:27 am by 1879graves

» Lieutenant Frederick Streatfield Pelly, RN
The battle would not take place ! EmptyTue Sep 29, 2020 4:09 pm by 1879graves

» KEYNSHAMLIGHTHORSE GRAVES WEBSITE
The battle would not take place ! EmptyTue Sep 29, 2020 8:08 am by ADMIN

» Regimental numbers
The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Sep 25, 2020 12:55 pm by Frank Allewell

» Isandlwana, Last Stands
The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Sep 25, 2020 9:13 am by Julian Whybra

» Colour of Lord Chelsmford eyes
The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Sep 25, 2020 8:05 am by Simonsole

» List of identified bodies at Isandlwana
The battle would not take place ! EmptyThu Sep 17, 2020 5:30 am by John Young

» Defenders of Rorkes Drift
The battle would not take place ! EmptyWed Sep 16, 2020 6:47 pm by Digger

» Colour Sgt Anthony Clark Booth, VC.
The battle would not take place ! EmptyTue Sep 15, 2020 6:47 pm by ADMIN

» Cpl John Lyons
The battle would not take place ! EmptyMon Sep 14, 2020 7:49 pm by Bill8183

» A Case of Mistaken Identity?
The battle would not take place ! EmptyMon Sep 14, 2020 11:29 am by John Young

» What happened next
The battle would not take place ! EmptyMon Sep 14, 2020 10:51 am by Springbok

» Surgeon Espine Charles Ward
The battle would not take place ! EmptyWed Sep 09, 2020 9:38 am by John Young

» 2nd Lieutenant William Lancelot James, 2nd/4th Regiment.
The battle would not take place ! EmptyMon Sep 07, 2020 2:41 pm by ADMIN

» Explaining Amabutho in one word??
The battle would not take place ! EmptyMon Sep 07, 2020 11:49 am by SRB1965

» Non-Combat Casualties - Royal Navy and Royal Marines
The battle would not take place ! EmptyThu Sep 03, 2020 4:05 pm by Frank Allewell

» Non-Combat Casualties - Royal Artillery
The battle would not take place ! EmptyWed Sep 02, 2020 8:01 pm by Catiline63

» Colonel William,Egerton Saunders, C.B
The battle would not take place ! EmptySun Aug 30, 2020 10:46 pm by ADMIN

» Lieutenant-Colonel David Campbell Williamson.
The battle would not take place ! EmptySun Aug 30, 2020 10:32 pm by ADMIN

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Rorke's Drift BBC Radio 4
Top posters
90th
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
littlehand
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
ADMIN
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
1879graves
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
rusteze
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
John
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
Mr M. Cooper
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
Top posting users this month
Frank Allewell
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
John Young
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
Herbie
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
90th
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
aussie inkosi
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
SRB1965
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
Petty Officer Tom
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
Danny1960
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
Tim Needham
The battle would not take place ! Bar_leftThe battle would not take place ! BarThe battle would not take place ! Bar_right 
Most active topics
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable. 4
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Adding to the Library
The ammunition question
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Keywords
spalding gardner william henry james payne 24th Natal harford taylor Mounted Russell Franklin smith drift horse john Woolfryes Durnford Prince Isandlwana George martini melvill zulu Police

 

 The battle would not take place !

Go down 
AuthorMessage
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyWed Nov 20, 2013 3:15 pm

Hi All

Why be entered in Natal when the king had forbidden ! The battle of RD would not take place !

Cheers

Pascal the Rascal
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyThu Nov 21, 2013 2:42 pm

pascal, it was all for mineral wealth. Salute 
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyThu Nov 21, 2013 3:07 pm

? At RD Dabulamanzi expected to find mineral wealth. ?

He knew there was a garrison in place?

He mocked the ban on his brother to enter Natal ?

I know his brother criticized Dabulamanzi for this incursion!

I know aussi That It was not up to the end of March 1879 a new military commandemnt That was given to Dabulamanzi ...

This affair has dishonored the uThulwana because when other Zulus learned their defeat, they mocked the uThulwana ...
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyThu Nov 21, 2013 4:47 pm

sorry rascal,désolé je vous ai mal compris.
mineral wealth?..the big picture. xhosa Salute 
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyThu Nov 21, 2013 4:55 pm

Oui j'ai vu celà Lester ! But what did Dabulamanzi in attacking RD ?
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyThu Nov 21, 2013 5:29 pm

pascal, basically Dab was just trying it on..
he had no authorization from the king as
all were forbidden to cross into Natal, but
he did, after the failed attacks, he could be
expected to be executed for his appalling
disobedience , but the king needed all his
commanders for the retribution for...
Isandhlwana! which he knew was bound to
follow,,he forgave him, the people mocked
and laughed at him for digging pieces out
of jimu's place,who had done them no harm.
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyThu Nov 21, 2013 7:07 pm

but Lester, why Dabu wanted to take RD for the glory?

or for military equipment? He said nothing after the war?
Back to top Go down
littlehand

littlehand

Posts : 7086
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 52
Location : Down South.

The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyThu Nov 21, 2013 7:26 pm

I was always under the impression, that this element hadn't washed their spears at Isandlwana as they were part of the reserved. They pursued the fugitives along with eleiments of the right horn. Perhaps they thought RD was an easy target. which it would have been if they hadn't been warned! And again perhaps the Zulus hadn't realised that those that had warned RD had slipped away earlier that anticipated.

And another question to considered. Although the Zulus had been warned against attacking a fortified British position, they really wasn't aware that RD had been fortified until they attacked. Question 
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyThu Nov 21, 2013 7:35 pm

answered pascal not 5 mins before,
posted, nothing, guess littlehands
post hit mine for six. Very Happy 
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Nov 22, 2013 7:45 am

Thank you Lester and LH

Everything you say LH is true, they might just want to kill at the beginning and as only a part of the inDluyengwe could find fugitives ...

But Dabulamanzi has seen the British defenses, so why take such a risk ? No British has asked him after the war?

Dabulamanzi motivations are weird ...Not for you ?

Or the battle is initiated before his arrival with young inDluyengwe and Dabulamanzi was forced to continue to honor ...
Back to top Go down
sas1

sas1

Posts : 629
Join date : 2009-01-20
Age : 42

The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Nov 22, 2013 8:31 am

But Dabulamanzi has seen the British defenses, so why take such a risk ? No British has asked him after the war?

Do you mean RD or in general.
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Nov 22, 2013 8:43 am

On RD in general.

After the war no British are asked why he attacked the RD? After the first attack of the inDluyengwe he did not let the battle develop for his pleasure...
Back to top Go down
24th

24th

Posts : 1851
Join date : 2009-03-25

The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Nov 22, 2013 10:09 am

After the first attack. It would have been impossible to stop. Bearing in mind RD wasn't on the list that day!
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Nov 22, 2013 11:06 am

Why It would have been impossible to stop ?

In my idea, the young inDluyengwe arriving to RD has put their C-in-C ,Dabulamanzi ,in the s... !

They behaved like a uKhandempemvu to Isandhwana and Ulundi and the iNgobhamakhosi to Kambula ...

It seems there were three Zulu regiments unmanageable and that the Zulu C-in-C in each battle had no authority over some regiments ...
Back to top Go down
Dave

Dave

Posts : 1605
Join date : 2009-09-21

The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Nov 22, 2013 11:54 am

The same reason the induna’s at Isandlwana couldn’t control the regiments there.
Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

Frank Allewell

Posts : 7602
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 73
Location : Cape Town South Africa

The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Nov 22, 2013 12:47 pm

Dave
Pretty much spot on. 'Bloodlust' ?
agree 
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Nov 22, 2013 1:20 pm

Yes it is this, it was in. at least three regiments unmanageable and Zulu Zulu That the C-in-C in Each battle Had No authority over Some regiments ...

Zulu chiefs should have to account to these folks!
Back to top Go down
littlehand

littlehand

Posts : 7086
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 52
Location : Down South.

The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptyFri Nov 22, 2013 11:01 pm

"Extract from Interview with Mehlokazulu Kasihayo (The Battle Of Isandlwana) 

Q: Who went to Rorke's Drift ?

A: The men who were fighting at Rorke's Drift did not take part in Isandlwana. They were the men of the uNdi body, which formed part of the right horn. When the camp at Isandlwana was taken, these men were 
fresh and they followed the fugitives that were running towards Rorke's Drift in Natal. There was a long line running towards what we supposed was Jim's house. The other reserve regiments thought about intercepting them by crossing the Buffalo River at the point where the Bashee joins it, on the road to Inswarele Kraal. This reserve complained that they had not had an opportunity to participate in the battle a Isandlwana and they consequently went to Rorke's Drift to fight there. These were men with rings. I only followed the fugitives for a while: I didn't reach the Buffalo River. Those of us who had fought at Isandlwana were tired as the English and many more of the English forces would have escaped if the reserve regiments had not risen up.

Q: Did many men died at Rake's house ?

A: oh, approximately 300.

Q: How many at Isandlwana ?

A: It's not known how many; it could be a thousand.

Q: Where there more dead at Khambula ?

A: Yes. we were completely annihilated. We began at midday and fought until sunrise.

Q: Is Dabulamanzi a good general ?

A: No, he's to impulsive. He commanded the column with the most losse at Ginsindhlova. We know that the Zulu from the coast are not good fighters. We didn't cpmplain about their bad fighting."
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptySat Nov 23, 2013 1:02 am

excellent littlehand.."they were marauding"!.
' going there to fight ' hearsay.. like i said
they fed him trill, he sang like a bird!.
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptySat Nov 23, 2013 6:11 am

Another great post LH ! Congratulations Bunky Salute 

When I hear that there was 3000 Zulu killed to Isandwana this make me a good laugh, only the Zulu have a vague idea of their losses.
Back to top Go down
24th

24th

Posts : 1851
Join date : 2009-03-25

The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptySat Nov 23, 2013 9:52 am

3000 scratch 
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! EmptySat Nov 23, 2013 9:55 am

3000 make me a good laugh !
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




The battle would not take place ! Empty
PostSubject: Re: The battle would not take place !   The battle would not take place ! Empty

Back to top Go down
 
The battle would not take place !
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: