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PostSubject: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptyThu Aug 11, 2022 12:26 pm

Greetings everyone. Could anyone point me in the direction of some good books about the Battles of Hlobane and Kambula

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PostSubject: Re: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptyThu Aug 11, 2022 12:41 pm

Dear Jon,

The book that you are looking for may well be:

" Blood on the Painted Mountain" ( Zulu Victory and Defeat, Hlobane and Kambula.) by

the late Ron Lock

ISBN 1-85367-201-7."


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PostSubject: Re: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptyThu Aug 11, 2022 2:04 pm

Jon,

As well as Peter’s recommendation, I would suggest The Boiling Cauldron; Utrecht District and the Anglo-Zulu War of 1879 by Huw M. Jones.

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PostSubject: Re: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptyThu Aug 11, 2022 7:58 pm

Thanks guys I think I'll track down a copy of both books
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PostSubject: Re: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptyThu Aug 11, 2022 8:03 pm

Jon,

Take a look at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

A bargain at £3.19p.

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PostSubject: Re: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptyThu Aug 11, 2022 8:04 pm

John Young wrote:
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Take a look at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

A bargain at £3.19p.

JY

Wow, thanks. Buying now
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PostSubject: Re: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptyFri Aug 12, 2022 5:57 pm

Hi Jon84,
I've just finished the new book on Hlobane & Khambula by W. B. Bartlett.
It's a very good read, and he's writing style is excellent. There maybe a couple of errors, but that's my opinion. This book is so much better than "Blood On The Painted Mountain" by Ron & Peter. "The Boiling Cauldron" is a good read, but it is hard-ish work, but, a good educational book. I would thoroughly recommend this new book.
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PostSubject: Re: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptyFri Aug 12, 2022 6:15 pm

warrior3 wrote:
Hi Jon84,
I've just finished the new book on Hlobane & Khambula by W. B. Bartlett.
It's a very good read, and he's writing style is excellent. There maybe a couple of errors, but that's my opinion. This book is so much better than "Blood On The Painted Mountain" by Ron & Peter. "The Boiling Cauldron" is a good read, but it is hard-ish work, but, a good educational book. I would thoroughly recommend this new book.
Cheers

I've just found the book - Hlobane and Khambula: The Forgotten Epic of How the Anglo-Zulu War was Lost and Won and going to get it ordered.

Trying to get quite a few anglo zulu war books in to read before I have surgery as I will have quite alot of spare time to read upon recovery. So any other suggestions in this subject is more than welcome

Thanks
Jon

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PostSubject: Re: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptyFri Aug 12, 2022 10:06 pm

Jon,

You can see my opinion of W. B. Bartlett’s Hlobane and Khambula… on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Good luck with your surgery.

Warrior3,

I think you will find Blood on the Painted Mountain was authored just by Ron, rather than Ron & Peter.

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PostSubject: Re: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptySat Aug 13, 2022 12:27 am

John Young wrote:
Jon,

You can see my opinion of W. B. Bartlett’s Hlobane and Khambula… on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Good luck with your surgery.

Warrior3,

I think you will find Blood on the Painted Mountain was authored just by Ron, rather than Ron & Peter.

JY

Yes John I had seen your suggestion and I have a copy of that book turning up tomorrow or Monday so that will be my next read once I've finished the book on isandlwana

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PostSubject: Re: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptySat Aug 13, 2022 7:41 am

Hi Jon84,
Yes, as mentioned by John Young, W. B. Bartett's new book does contain a mish mash of engravings/photos, which doesn't make much sense, but, like I said, it's a good read. For me, "Blood On The Painted Mountain" was a disappointing read, because there are at least 40-50 pages on Isandlwana, which is far too much, whereas Bartlett does give the reader a brief idea on what happened there and then proceeds with what his book title is about. Anyway, it's refreshing to read a new publication on these two battles, whilst a lot of authors concentrate on Isandlwana & Rorke's Drift. Yes, there are a few errors, but that shouldn't put you off whatsoever.
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PostSubject: Re: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptySun Aug 14, 2022 5:48 pm

Without blowing my own trumpet (well actually I am a bit, hope thats okay Pete)
Rifle and Spear with the Zulu, the biography of Captain Alan Colstoun Gardner 14th Hussars, has chapters on Hlobane and Kambula and contains letters, unpublished anywhere else, written by him about these battles.
He was mentioned in despatches by Buller for his actions at Hlobane and severely wounded at Kambula.
There are also rare letters from other key players involved.
In case you are interested
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PostSubject: Re: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptySun Aug 14, 2022 5:52 pm

gardner1879 wrote:
Without blowing my own trumpet (well actually I am a bit, hope thats okay Pete)
Rifle and Spear with the Zulu, the biography of Captain Alan Colstoun Gardner 14th Hussars, has chapters on Hlobane and  Kambula and contains letters, unpublished anywhere else, written by him about these battles.
He was mentioned in despatches by Buller for his actions at Hlobane and severely wounded at Kambula.
There are also rare letters from other key players involved.
In case you are interested
Kate


Hi Kate, I'm happy with any and all suggestions. Will add it to my list of books to get. Thanks for the response

Jon
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PostSubject: Re: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptySun Aug 14, 2022 6:15 pm

No problems Jon, send me a pm if you want a copy.
Kate Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Hlobane and Kambula   Hlobane and Kambula EmptySun Aug 14, 2022 11:07 pm

gardner1879 wrote:
No problems Jon, send me a pm if you want a copy.
Kate  Very Happy

Once I've got through my next book I'll be in touch Kate

Jon
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