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PostSubject: Re: Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC   Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptyWed Jul 24, 2013 9:32 pm

I read an artical by John Young, who writes that some Zulu's killed themselves rather than falling into the hands of the enermy. Has anyone else heard of this. I know there were some cases of British and Colonials taking thier own lives but never Zulus.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC   Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptyThu Jul 25, 2013 7:03 am

Zulu's killed Themselves Rather than falling into the hands of the enermy...

yes I have read something like this, it was the fact of exhausted warriors...
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC   Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptySun Jul 28, 2013 11:54 am

Wonder if there was the fear of being killed by the NNC rather than British soldiers as they would have used the same killing methods as the Zulu.

We have read cases where the NNC were let loose on wounded and captured Zulu's, would the act of Disembowlement applied.
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PostSubject: The Battle Of Kambula    Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptySun Jul 28, 2013 12:45 pm

Interesting point Littlehand , I've never read that the NNC disembowled their enemies , maybe they did ? , maybe they didnt ?.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC   Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptySun Jul 28, 2013 2:04 pm

Littlehand & 90th,

There were no Natal Native Contingent per se at Khambula.

Those members of Wood's Irregulars who hadn't deserted were comprised mainly Zulus and locally-recruited men of Swazi stock.

The Zulu ones had score to settle dating back to the Civil War of 1856. That said the only African soldiers to take part in the pursuit and slaughter which followed the Battle of Khambula were the Natal Native Horse, although Wood's Irregulars may have despatched Zulu wounded around the fortifications.

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC   Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptySun Jul 28, 2013 2:19 pm

At RD they went about their buiness killing wounded Zulus. But did they disemblowel them after. Perhaps this should be added to the disembowelment discussion.
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PostSubject: The Battle Of Kambula    Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptySun Jul 28, 2013 2:30 pm

Hi Jimu .
I think this probably should be in another thread , I was answering Littlehand's post as in what happened at RD regarding the NNC killing the wounded Zulu's around the camp . I'm aware the NNC werent at Kambula . Salute 
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC   Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptySun Jul 28, 2013 4:13 pm

Wrong!Wrong!Wrong!

British would never have left soldiers NNC eviscerate Zulu warriors, even Zulu army renegades belonging to their ...

NNC troops were subject to a very strict discipline behavior by British ...

For cons, the men of NNC cowardly murdered injured or exhausted Zulu warriors and without defenses after EVERY victory of their British masters, here is the truth ...

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC   Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptySun Jul 28, 2013 5:13 pm

Pascal,

Pascal wrote:
NNC troops were subject to a very strict discipline behavior by British ...

That same very strict British military discipline which led to the summary execution of prisoners at Rorke's Drift and at Helpmekaar?

Pascal wrote:
For cons, the men of NNC cowardly murdered injured or exhausted Zulu warriors and without defenses

As did the British and Colonial troops who pursued the retreating Zulu forces at Khambula and Gingindlovu.  Buller was apparently possessed of a bloodlust.  

Revenge for the losses at Isandlwana, Ntombe and Hlobane were exacted on the Zulu, and no Geneva Convention governing the rules of engagement.

Unlike you I cannot state for certain that no African troops under British command did not disembowel Zulu warriors that they either killed in combat, or when administrating a coup de grace to a wounded warrior.

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PostSubject: Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC   Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptySun Jul 28, 2013 6:24 pm

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What happened to RD is due to what had happened the day before, in Zululand and that the defenders of RD were observed during the battle, so it is a very stupid and automatic human reaction .. .

Note that the British do not understand Zulu practices, for them it is simply barbarism, which was not the case ...

What Zulu? Those who served in the British army in formed units and thus in sufficient numbers are crushed to Isandhlwana and Hlobana!

This is after a victory that they could perform their surgical customs, not after a defeat and a rout ...

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC   Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptySun Jul 28, 2013 11:35 pm

But there would still be the issue, and the reasons why, Zulus disembowled. The fear of the dead taking over the body of the one that killed him ect!!!

There are accounts where the NNC killed wounded Zulu's but nothing about disembowlement.

And the killing of wounded Zulu's wound have been seen as mercy killings, the Zulu's themselves dispatched there own wounded men, was that not one of the purposes of the knobkerry?
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For incisional, you must have the time for doing so, as after a victory. And I find it odd that they do this to RD.

The Zulu's Themselves dispatched there own wounded men, That was not one of the Purposes of the knobkerry?

Never heard of it ...

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC   Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptyMon Jul 29, 2013 11:57 pm

Was the Knobkerry, not know as the mercy club!

There was a lot of wounded Zulus after the battle of RD, and the NNC were recorded as dispatching most of them.

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Yes the men of NNC cowardly murdered injured or exhausted Zulu warriors and without defenses after EVERY victory of their British masters, here is the truth ...Disgusting and more it is done by white soldiers Salute 
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC   Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptyWed Jul 31, 2013 11:07 pm

I woundn't say they were cowards. The men that made up the NNC had, had a long hard experience of fighting against the Zulus. Prior to the Zulu War, look at it as payback!
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC   Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptyThu Aug 01, 2013 7:26 am

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I'm not saying it was the cowards, but it behaved cowardly towards Zulu without defenses ...

Ok, before the Zulu war, some NNHtroops, had a little experience of the combat.

But the infantry and pioneers ot the NNC had no will (their grandfathers and fathers, yes, but not them ) , ditto for the Zulu dissident of the Infantry of the NNC and those who were with Wood ...
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC   Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptyThu Aug 01, 2013 9:41 am

The Zulus kill everybody they come across during Battle. That would include members of the NNC, and othe natives units.
What about the wounded Zulu at RD laying on his bed in hospital no means of defending himself, questioned and then killed. The trooper who was tortured, his screams could be heard for most the night.

Customs or not, you cannot expect to be treated with compassion, if you are going to carry out barbaric methods of killing followed by mutilation.

You also have to remember, although you dismiss it, the Zulus we're drugged to the eyeballs.
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Customs or not, you cannot expect to be treated with compassion, if you are going to carry out barbaric methods of killing followed by mutilation. LOL LOL LOL

Well if you are a white, so-called "civilized", whereas the warriors of the indigenous nations are "barbarians", you do not want to like them, but that is what they do ...


You also have to remember, although you dismiss it, the Zulus we're drugged to the eyeballs. And the British soldiers were fasted 24 hours on 24, it is well known LOL LOL LOL...
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC   Zulu suicide & Disembowlement by NNC EmptyThu Aug 01, 2013 10:52 am

That's a very shallow view Pascal. And your constant use of LOL just puts people off responding.
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At the time there was a emoticons for LOL, it was a good time ...

On some forum, it is mandatory to use as moderators say emoticons soothe the discussions ...

I wish there have hundreds of different emoticons on this forum, it would be good for all Very Happy 
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