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PostSubject: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptyFri Feb 17, 2017 7:46 pm

This is a group photograph of the August 1873 Hythe School of Musketry class. I will not patronize you by asking you to identify the 24 Regiment participant in this class as it would not be much of a challenge---of course, it is Lt. Charles D'Aguilar Pope with his dog sitting center just behind the first seated row.

However, according to what I have been able to determine, there is only one other Zulu War veteran in this group. Can you name him and find him in the class photo? (Isandula Collection)

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySat Feb 18, 2017 1:54 pm

Clue #1--He's not sitting.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySat Feb 18, 2017 9:42 pm

I will have a bash at 2nd Lt George Evelyn 3rd Buff's.
3rd left top row.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySat Feb 18, 2017 10:37 pm

Good shooting, Xhosa2000, but you're a bit off target but getting close.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySun Feb 19, 2017 7:20 am

Is he wearing a diced forage cap or glengarry?

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySun Feb 19, 2017 1:01 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySun Feb 19, 2017 2:07 pm


Clue #1--He's not sitting.
Clue #2--Look like he's shooting us the finger, but he's not.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySun Feb 19, 2017 3:15 pm

RB,

That's so you 'shooting the finger'.

Either Gordon or Alexander of the 2nd/21st.

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySun Feb 19, 2017 3:35 pm

Yes, JB, it looks like his shooting finger, but you have the wrong guy in the 2/21st.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySun Feb 19, 2017 4:37 pm

Lt. Justice 2/21? But I am cheating from a list of those at the School of Musketry in August 1873. There was another AZW veteran present on the course, Lt H H Parr of the 13th, but I don't think he is in the picture.

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySun Feb 19, 2017 5:07 pm

Bingo!!!! Steve, you've nailed him---Lt. A.J. Justice, 2/21st Royal Scots, standing top, far left at the end, I believe. Well done!!! I checked the Mac & Shad with the JY index and cannot find Lt. H.H.Parr listed as being in the ZW, though, he well may have been. There is a list of participants photographed underneath the group pic for the August 1873 Musketry Class, and this is how I determined Justice was an Anglo-Zulu War vet.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySun Feb 19, 2017 5:21 pm

Thanks Isandula. I had jumped to the conclusion, probably quite wrongly, that H H Parr was Henry Hallam Parr - right regiment though and he probably was a Lt. in 1873.

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySun Feb 19, 2017 5:35 pm

Steve,

Only one H. H. Parr in the Army List, Henry Hallam Parr.

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He isn't in Mac' & Shad', hence why he doesn't make it to the index!

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySun Feb 19, 2017 5:43 pm

Ah, thanks John. Any small chance it might be him end of back row on the far right? Or is the headgear wrong for the13th?

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySun Feb 19, 2017 5:58 pm

Steve,

No that's a cavalry officer.

The 13th's badge was a Mural Crown superscribed Jellalabad above a strung horn, with 13 in the centre of strings.

Here's an out of focus image:

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13th PALI officer, Hythe 1878.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySun Feb 19, 2017 6:43 pm

Wouldn't this be Henry Hallam Parr, 13th, seated just above Charlie Pope?
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Me thinks matches up quite well with this photo of Frere's staff, with Parr seated far left.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySun Feb 19, 2017 7:24 pm

RB,

That's your man.

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War Brain teaser #3   Zulu War Brain teaser #3 EmptySun Feb 19, 2017 7:45 pm

Well done boys!

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