J Brazier 1/24 foot 1877 - 78 bar

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So this chap must have been pretty lucky - I have had his medal set since the late 1980's when I use to collect them.

He escaped the massacre and no doubt lost a few mates, not sure why he left SA possibly invalided home - but he then went to Egypt in the 3 kings and managed the Tel-El-Kebir bar and Khedive's Star.

Not sure what else anyone can dig up all I know is his name was in the Nobel book (I don't have a copy but was told he was in it) anyway interesting set.

At one stage I was going to sell them but there's not really a huge interest these days, and they have taken a beating as they were worn and the star attacked the edges of the other two medals. But heck always interested to know his story.

Subject: J. Brazier 1/ 24 th 1877-78 Bar Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:28 am

Grungysquash
I can tell you there's a massive market for medals awarded to the 24th Regt's , especially dealing with those who earnt the 1879 Clasp , and more so those who were at Isandlwana etc , the SAGS medal you have to Brazier alone is worth between 800 - 1000 GBP's , probably would get much more if it was researched and more again if his service etc was thoroughly researched , in any case back in the 80's it would've or should've cost you a pittance compared to it's value now , when I began collecting them in 2006 you could pick one up for less than 300 GBP's ... now no change from 1000 GBP's for those with the 1879 Clasp . Forgot to mention the better the medals condition , the more you would get , no-one is really keen to buy a very worn or damaged medal at the prices they command nowadays , the thinking is may as well pay a bit extra and get one in decent condition .
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The bar is 1877 - 78 so he left before the main battle - unsure why but am guessing he was sick and sent back home to mother England- he was in the 1/24th and then after that ended up in Egypt where he was involved in the battle for the Egypt bar.

Paid $550NZD back in the day which was pretty expensive at the time the medals have edge damage due to the Stat so clearly worn.

Subject: J. Brazier 1/ 24 th 1877-78 Bar Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:54 am

Grungysquash
Yes I'm aware the bar is 77-78 , the price I mentioned is a price for such medals , I mentioned 1879 to give you an idea of what they are worth as well , the prices are from the Medal Year book which is well over 12 mths old . Seems they were very very expensive Suspect

, especially in the condition which they were in ! .
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OK so the medal is worth around $1,800Au peso's - Yes back in the day I kinda just collected random medals not sure why!!! Might be worth more as a set someone had them professionally mounted back in the day.

I didn't think the 79's would be worth as mush as these guys were normally the replacements for the poor chaps who were in the battle.

At least this guy saw some action in Egypt!!

I didn't think there was really that much interest as time has marched on! My single best medal was a QSM with 8 bars which I was told at the time was the most you could have but now think you could have 9!!

Subject: J. Brazier 1/ 24 th 1877-78 Bar Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:15 am

Grungysquash
Yep probably more like a tad over $ 2000 Aussie Peso's , about $ 2,400 NZ Drachma's ? Very Happy

. I can certainly tell you even the 1/24th drafts command ' big ' money nowadays , only because they are the 1/ 24th , as I said the 24th Regt's... either the 1st or 2nd with the 1879 Clasp are very expensive drafts or not , I still look at the prices every know and then , Medals to the 1/ 24th with the 1879 Clasp go for more than medals from other regt's , even from those that saw action , as we both know both the 24th Regt's never saw action again after Isandlwana / Rorkes Drift . A group would certainly go for more than the 1000 GBP's I quoted you , again especially if there's some research or Brazier is mentioned during his time in Egypt .
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Subject: J. Brazier 1/ 24 th 1877-78 Bar Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:23 am

Grungysquash
Just had a quick look around and found a SAGS medal clasp 77-78 to the 88th , price is just under 2000 GBP's , but something is known of the recipient , as mentioned earlier , research on Brazier would push the price through the roof ! Very Happy

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OK - Not sure to keep or sell - it's not like my daughters really want them!! I'd like to know more about this chap would have been darn tough back in the day.

Probably overpaid but I was just a snotty nosed kid and heck I though they were cool - even had a spinks catalogue, collected all sorts WW1, WW2, but this set was always one of my favorites after all while the first massacre was tragic the second battle was pretty heroic - those guys experienced stuff we can only read about.

I'll have to figure out how to get more of his history - hell if I find a living relative who has some form of connection with the past I'd hand them over to them if they wanted to keep there history in the family.

Subject: J. Brazier 1/ 24 th 1877-78 Bar Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:47 am

Grungysquash
There are a couple of people on here who will no doubt post some information re Attestation Papers etc , they just need to see the posts . Salute

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