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![Zibhebhu and Cetshwayo's family Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Zibhebhu and Cetshwayo's family Thu May 23, 2024 9:25 pm | |
| I found this in Ian Knight's essay, titled "After Ulundi: The British withdrawal from Zululand – scorched earth and retribution.": "Then, a week after the battle, he [Cetshwayo] had left his family in Zibhebhu’s care – an act which was later to have bitter repercussions – and moved south again to Mnyamana’s homestead, north of the Black Mfolozi valley. " What would these "bitter repercussions" turn out to be? I learned about the merciless conflict between the two men that commeced just a few years after the war against the British, but what were the actual consequences of Cetshwayo's aforementioned decision? Perhaps, Zibhebhu killed a few of his family members, or took advantage of his "possession" of them during the Third Civil War? |
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| Hobbes At the end of the war Zibhebhu was commissioned by the British to collect the king's cattle and was afterward accused by Ndabuko (the king's brother whose photo is so often erroneously used by authors for the king himself) of hiving off some for himself. After the his capture Cetshwayo asked Zibhebhu to look after his son Dinuzulu. Zibhebhu obliged. Later he was accused by Ndabuko of neglecting his charge. After the restoration Ndabuko collected an impi and attacked Zibhebhu's greatly inferior force at Msebe (against the king's wishes). Gibson recorded that the losses suffered by Ndabuko's uSutu were the heaviest of any battle in the history of the nation (including many of the top Zulu dogs) while Zibhebhu's men's losses were negligible. A few months later Zibhebhu, fearing a repeat attack, made a pre-emptive strike on Catshwayo's kraal at Ondini and routed his opponents. The king was wounded and fled to Nkhandla to seek the Resident Commissioner's protection at Eshowe. After Cestchwayo's death, Dinuzulu was out for revenge and with the aid of a Boer commando defeated Zibhebhu at Tshaneni in June 1884. Zibhebhu fled but four years later was allowed to return to his old tribal lands, since taken over by the uSutu, who refused to allow him back. More hostilities followed, and Zibhebhu's men was defeated at Ndunu Hill by a force six times as big as his own. He lost half his men and sought refuge in the Ndunu Bush defying capture. He then went to Nkonjeni where he helped the British nip an attack by Shingane in the bud and was allowed to live at Mqwakazi by order of the Resident. When Dinuzulu returned from exile, Zibhebhu was allowed to return to his own lands where he died in 1905. Knight's "bitter repercussions" referred to the kingdom as a whole rather than one side or the other. |
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| Thanks for the information. Would you mind sharing the photo you were referring to? Mistaking one important Zulu figure for another is not an uncommon occurrence... on some website I think I even saw the photograph of Ntshingwayo coupled with a text stating that it was in fact Cetshwayo. |
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| Hobbes If you look at the thread 'Is this Cetshwayo' on this site, you will find some photos of Ndabuko which have often been mislabelled as Cetshwayo. You can copy them from there.
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