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PostSubject: Trooper David Doig, father-in-law Trooper Robert Adams   Trooper David Doig, father-in-law Trooper Robert Adams EmptyMon Apr 11, 2022 9:24 am

Greetings all,

As per previous post, Trooper David Doig who escaped from Isandlwana, is my third great uncle. David Doig's wife Juliza Adams was the daughter of Robert Adams and Gertrude Anna Maria Botha.

i.e. David Doig's father-in-law was Trooper Robert Adams that died at Rorke's Drift.

On the marriage certificate (23 Sep 1870) to Robert Adams and "Gerbreg Anna Maria Botha" he is listed as being born 1827 in Scotland and his occupation is given as "Bosch Jager" i.e. a hunter.

The children of this marriage are born between 1872 and 1875. In 1905 Getrude Adams remarries to William Tonkin.

It was quite the penny-drop when I discovered this!

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PostSubject: Re: Trooper David Doig, father-in-law Trooper Robert Adams   Trooper David Doig, father-in-law Trooper Robert Adams EmptyMon Apr 11, 2022 11:56 am

anorakABO
I think you've made an error. The Robert Adams who was kia at Rorke's Drift was not a colonial trooper. He was an unmarried 2/24th soldier:
25B/987 Private Robert Adams D coy
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PostSubject: Re: Trooper David Doig, father-in-law Trooper Robert Adams   Trooper David Doig, father-in-law Trooper Robert Adams EmptyMon Apr 11, 2022 12:18 pm

The marriage certificate shows he was born in Scotland, i.e. I don't think he was a colonial trooper. He was 43 in 1870. What makes you say he was unmarried?
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PostSubject: Re: Trooper David Doig, father-in-law Trooper Robert Adams   Trooper David Doig, father-in-law Trooper Robert Adams EmptyMon Apr 11, 2022 12:44 pm

Right place, right time. The marriage certificate even shows his place of residence as Pongolo, Utrecht.

I'll concede that I need more primary evidence, however I know for a fact his son-in-law David Doig, who was a colonial trooper, was at Isandlwana. He marries, has children, disappears circa 1879.

I see in another thread (Welsh/English etc.) that you listed Robert Adams under UNKNOWN. Do we have attestation papers for "25B/987 Private Robert Adams D coy"?
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PostSubject: Re: Trooper David Doig, father-in-law Trooper Robert Adams   Trooper David Doig, father-in-law Trooper Robert Adams EmptyMon Apr 11, 2022 1:34 pm

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Private Robert Adams 2/24th
Enrolled into the East Middlesex Militia before 1872. Enlisted & attested 21/1/1876. Posted to the 2nd/24th Foot 22/1/1877. Embarked England for South Africa 1/2/1878. Arrived in East London, Cape Colony, South Africa 9/3/1878. Served in the Ninth Kaffir & Zulu Wars 1878-9. At the Battalion Depot Pietermaritzburg from 1/11/1878 – 20/12/1878. Returned to Service Companies 21/12/1878. Present during the defence of Rorke’s Drift Mission Station, Natal, South Africa 22-23/1/1879. WO97 papers not found at the National Archives. In the Paylists and Muster Rolls he is not mentioned in the Married Establishment.
Robert Adams is a common name. It is obviously two men with the same name. How can someone possibly marry in 1870 in Utrecht, have children born in 1872 and 1875 but also be in England at the same time?
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PostSubject: Re: Trooper David Doig, father-in-law Trooper Robert Adams   Trooper David Doig, father-in-law Trooper Robert Adams EmptyMon Apr 11, 2022 2:15 pm

That’s assuming Trooper Robert Adams is correctly identified and that the chronology is correct, and I have no reason to believe it isn’t.

What are the sources for his regimental number and attestation dates etc? Not questioning them, only curious. If the chronology is correct, I agree it’s unlikely. Question though, in the case of Christian Ferdinand Schiess, he was injured and hospitalised at Rorke’s Drift (as was Robert Adams). Do we know when/where Robert Adams was injured?
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PostSubject: Re: Trooper David Doig, father-in-law Trooper Robert Adams   Trooper David Doig, father-in-law Trooper Robert Adams EmptyMon Apr 11, 2022 3:42 pm

First, there was no Trooper Robert Adams present at Rorke's Drift and there was no man of that name in any of No. 3 Column's three colonial units. There was a man killed in action at Rorke's Drift named Private Robert Adams 2/24th (Casualty Returns; Paylists and Muster Rolls; Rothwell's HMSO Narrative; Chard's Reprt, etc. etc.)

Secondly, Trooper David Doig's father-in-law Robert Adams undoubtedly existed but there is nothing to connect him with the man of the same name at Rorke's Drift and nothing to suggest he was a Colonial Trooper.  What makes you think there is?

Thirdly, Pte. Robert Adams was a patient in the hospital when the Zulus attacked and took an active part in the defence of the hospital where he was killed in action. Surgeon Reynolds said after the defence that “…He (Adams) was well able to move about but could not be persuaded to leave his temporary refuge in a small room [in Rorke's Drift hospital], and face the danger of an attempt to escape to the laager…”

Lastly, there is no known record of Pte. Robert Adams's illness.
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