WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu: Pvt. Cole: Why is it us? Why us? Colour Sergeant Bourne: Because we're here, lad. Nobody else. Just us.
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  Latest imagesLatest images  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyToday at 8:28 pm by rai

» Thomas Edwards
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyToday at 7:43 pm by rai

» Captain Alfred Godwin Godwin-Austen, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyToday at 7:03 pm by rai

» Major-General CHERRY-GARRARD,
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyYesterday at 10:18 pm by ADMIN

» Sergeant 2195 Walter C Low / Lott 17th Lancers
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyYesterday at 9:40 pm by rai

» Private 1934 J Brewer and Private 1919 J Bathe 99th Regiment
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyYesterday at 8:39 pm by rai

» Private 1118 William Laws, 90th Regiment
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyYesterday at 8:22 pm by rai

» Time keeping at isandlwana
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyYesterday at 8:20 pm by Frank Allewell

» Lieutenant R T H Law 77th (East Middlesex) Regiment
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyYesterday at 7:25 pm by rai

» Captain David Murray Smythe, 1st Batt. 1st Regt. Natal Native Contingent.
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyFri Mar 24, 2023 10:51 pm by rai

» NO TORTURE OF 'LITTLE DRUMMER BOYS' (OR ANYONE ELSE) AT ISANDLWANA
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyThu Mar 23, 2023 6:54 am by ADMIN

» Anson A. Maher
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyTue Mar 21, 2023 11:55 pm by 90th

» Sapper 13760 Richard Henry Morris C Troop Royal Engineers
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyTue Mar 21, 2023 9:29 pm by rai

» Hospital Dresser Robert J Boyd Army Medical Department
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyTue Mar 21, 2023 7:52 pm by rai

» William Henry Hoskin Allen
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyTue Mar 21, 2023 6:34 pm by Julian Whybra

» Private 1820 Richard Cotter 1/24th Regiment
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyTue Mar 21, 2023 5:50 pm by rai

»  Acting Army Chaplain Rev John MacTaggart
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyMon Mar 20, 2023 10:11 pm by rai

» Lance Corporal J H Wardman 94th Regiment Wounded at Bronkhurstspruit
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyMon Mar 20, 2023 9:04 pm by rai

» Geoffrey Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes, 18th Baron Saye and Sele
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyMon Mar 20, 2023 8:37 pm by rai

» Private 36/470 W Trump 1/13th Regiment
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyMon Mar 20, 2023 8:28 pm by rai

» Private 1013 S Lorimer / Lorrimer 91st Highlanders
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyMon Mar 20, 2023 7:48 pm by rai

» Sergeant Major 765 William Edmund Hogan 2/24th Regiment
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyMon Mar 20, 2023 7:30 pm by rai

» Lt. Francis Pender Porteous
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyMon Mar 20, 2023 4:14 am by John Young

» Private 2237 A Vousden / Vowsden 1st Dragoon Guards
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptySun Mar 19, 2023 8:59 pm by rai

» Sergeant Instructor of Musketry 1407 David Moore 91st Regiment. Gurney and Eshowe
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptySun Mar 19, 2023 8:14 pm by rai

» Private 2163 Henry "Old Harry" Newport 91st Regiment
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptySun Mar 19, 2023 7:50 pm by rai

» Did the 55th (Westmoreland) Regiment supply any drafts?
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptySun Mar 19, 2023 10:50 am by 90th

» Francis Ernest Colenso Cetshwayo's legal advisor
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptySat Mar 18, 2023 11:18 pm by rai

» Captain Henry D Harrison 2/3rd Regiment
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptySat Mar 18, 2023 10:41 pm by rai

» Lieutenant Colonel Tyrrell in charge of Natal Railways during AZW
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptySat Mar 18, 2023 8:21 pm by rai

» Queen Victoria presents the V.C. to Pte. F. Hitch
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptySat Mar 18, 2023 3:02 pm by 90th

» Biographical details on Trooper Laasen/Larsen?
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptySat Mar 18, 2023 2:40 pm by 90th

» Drummer 1899 Albert Thomas Glover 99th Regiment
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptySat Mar 18, 2023 2:27 pm by 90th

» Details and names of officers. Drafts for the 1/24th Regiment
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptySat Mar 18, 2023 1:46 pm by 90th

» David Renton
Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyFri Mar 17, 2023 8:56 pm by rai

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
181x240
Top posters
90th
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
littlehand
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
ADMIN
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
1879graves
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
gardner1879
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
John Young
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
rusteze
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
Top posting users this month
rai
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
John Young
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
gardner1879
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
90th
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
cmeghen
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
Mr M. Cooper
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
ADMIN
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
Danny1960
Captain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_leftCaptain Robert Francis Vetch BarCaptain Robert Francis Vetch Bar_right 
Most active topics
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable. 4
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Please Do Not Post Ads on Our Forum
Google Chrome new standards imposed
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The missing five hours.
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
The ammunition question
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Adding to the Library
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Keywords
john carbineers George smith anstey Isandlwana 2022 Harry Prince james 24th Mounted Jones Franklin taylor Natal henry horse brown martini Russell drift Police harford williams Roll
 

 Captain Robert Francis Vetch

Go down 
5 posters
AuthorMessage
John Young

John Young


Posts : 2927
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 67
Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!

Captain Robert Francis Vetch Empty
PostSubject: Captain Robert Francis Vetch   Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyWed Jun 22, 2022 7:06 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Lieutenant Robert Francis Vetch, 2nd Battalion, 20th (East Devonshire) Regiment.[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
The pencilled identification of Vetch to the reverse, possibly made by Vetch himself.
(John Young Collection.)

Robert Francis Vetch was commissioned as an Ensign by purchase 25th September 1867, in the 2nd Battalion, 20th (East Devonshire) Regiment.  Lieutenant by purchase 3rd September 1870. He served in the Cape, Natal and Mauritius with his battalion.  Contrary to the conclusions of some Vetch never served in the Lancashire Fusiliers as that regiment was only created in 1881 under the Army Reforms of that year.

Whilst attending a course at Hythe Vetch got into a spot of bother.  Here’s the press report:
The names of the officers whose conduct is now being investigated by a court of inquiry at Shorncliffe Lieutenant Ricketts, of the 56th Regiment, and Lieutenant Vetch, of the 2d [sic.] Battalion 20th Regiment.  Lieutenant Vetch and some others were reported by Lieutenant Ricketts for entering his room and destroying his property.  In revenge Lieutenant Vetch enticed Lieutenant Ricketts at night on to one of the grass plots on the principal promenade at Folkestone and attacked him.  A fight, which lasted through 12 rounds, then ensued, and Lieutenant Ricketts, who had not from an injury recovered the full use of one of his hands, got much the worst of the fight.  Both officers were going through a course of rifle instruction at Hythe.  A crowd of people were present at the disgraceful scene, and several other officers from Hythe formed a ring.

Morning Post, 30th September 1875.

The findings of the Court of Inquiry were published and here is Vetch’s punishment:
…Lieutenant Vetch, of the 2nd Battalion, 20th Regiment, after being addressed in the severest terms, was informed that he might proceed on leave at once, until gazetted out, her [sic.] Majesty having no further occasion for his services. …

The Star, 19th October 1875.

The London Gazette of 22nd October 1875 duly recorded that Lieutenant Robert Francis Vetch was to be dismissed from the Army on 23rd October.

So where does a disgraced former officer go?  To Natal where else.

What does he do there, according to the National Archives of South Africa he would become embroiled in a bankruptcy matter with a certain William Shepstone.  He would also marry Eliza Harding, the daughter of Natal’s Chief Justice, a marriage which would end in divorce and a further bankruptcy case.

The Times of Natal of 25th November 1878 records:

The following names of gentlemen selected for appointment as Officers, to serve under Officer Commanding Her Majesty’s Forces in South Africa, have received the approval of His Excellency the High Commissioner and Commander-in-Chief:-

…As Captains…R. F. Vetch, Esq.

Vetch was appointed to the 2nd Battalion, 1st Regiment, Natal Native Contingent, as part of Durnford’s No. 2 Column.  Luckily for Vetch he appears to have remained at Kranz Kop under Bengough’s command.

On 24th May 1879, Vetch transferred from the N.N.C. to Shepstone’s Native Horse.  Serving under the command of an officer who he had been involved in a civil court case only months before.

At the conclusion of the Anglo-Zulu War, Vetch would serve in the reformed Baker’s Horse in the campaign against Sekhukhune in the northern Transvaal.

JY
Back to top Go down
Julian Whybra




Posts : 3391
Join date : 2011-09-13
Location : Billericay, Essex

Captain Robert Francis Vetch Empty
PostSubject: Re: Captain Robert Francis Vetch   Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyWed Jun 22, 2022 8:19 am

John
Really interesting! I had no idea of this man's background and the tangled web he wove.
Back to top Go down
John Young

John Young


Posts : 2927
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 67
Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!

Captain Robert Francis Vetch Empty
PostSubject: Re: Captain Robert Francis Vetch   Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyWed Jun 22, 2022 8:35 am

Julian,

I was aware that he had been dismissed from the Army, what was interesting was to discover was the reason why.

JY
Back to top Go down
90th

90th


Posts : 10734
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 66
Location : Melbourne, Australia

Captain Robert Francis Vetch Empty
PostSubject: Capt Robert Francis Vetch    Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyWed Jun 22, 2022 2:34 pm

Outstanding JY , great pick up .
90th You need to study mo
Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

Frank Allewell


Posts : 8421
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 76
Location : Cape Town South Africa

Captain Robert Francis Vetch Empty
PostSubject: Re: Captain Robert Francis Vetch   Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyWed Jun 22, 2022 11:03 pm

John
In 1879 he Requested a commision to serve in the Cape Mounted Rifles.The fact that he had a pretty salubrious reputation possibly went against him as I cant at this stage trace him as serving there, I assume that having been rejected he turned to Bakers Horse.

Frank
Back to top Go down
gardner1879

gardner1879


Posts : 3090
Join date : 2021-01-04

Captain Robert Francis Vetch Empty
PostSubject: Re: Captain Robert Francis Vetch   Captain Robert Francis Vetch EmptyWed Feb 01, 2023 11:09 pm

Natal Witness 9th September 1880
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Back to top Go down
 
Captain Robert Francis Vetch
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» Captain Robert Lawrence 90th Regiment
» Captain Robert Julian Orde Jocelyn 8th Reg
» Captain George Conyers Baker Baker  of Elemore Captain 60th Rifles.
» Captain Alfred Payne Surmon. Captain James John Surmon.
» Captain Robert Cooke Otway, 13th (Somersetshire) Prince Alert’s Light Infantry

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: THE ONE'S THE HISTORY BOOKS FORGOT-
Jump to: