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Something is not adding up here, we need POT to sort it.

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PostSubject: Re: Domestic 2nd Class 101535 Edward Arthur Dean HMS Orontes   Domestic 2nd Class 101535 Edward Arthur Dean HMS Orontes EmptyMon Jul 25, 2022 9:36 pm

Hi Andy
In Tom's listings he has him shown as Edward Dean which is why I listed him as so in the title despite the newspaper calling him Edmund scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Domestic 2nd Class 101535 Edward Arthur Dean HMS Orontes   Domestic 2nd Class 101535 Edward Arthur Dean HMS Orontes EmptyMon Jul 25, 2022 10:37 pm

Andy,

What is not adding up? Is it the difference in his name, or where he was born, or his date of birth?

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Hi Tom

It is where he was born, or his date of birth?

His service record and the 1911 census do not match, which is correct?

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Andy,

I agree that the discrepancies between the service record of Edward Dean and the 1911 census for Edmund Arthur Dean are cause for some doubt as to whether they are the same person.  There was only one person with the name Dean on the medal roll for HMS Orontes, and he was only listed as E. Dean.  The “Death of Mr. E. A. Dean” report in the Reading Standard states that Edmund Dean was born in Canada and at age 15 he became an orphan when he was living in England.  In 1877 Edmund would have been 16 years old and would have to have had a parent’s or guardian’s permission to join the Royal Navy.  Being an orphan would made getting permission a difficult task.  I believe he simply joined the navy under the name of Edward Dean and gave a date of birth that would show him to be 18 years old.

I for one believe they are the same individual.

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Hi Tom

Many thanks for the info, that explains things and makes sense.

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