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Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers Empty
PostSubject: Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers   Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers EmptySun Sep 04, 2022 5:18 pm

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Birmingham Mail - Friday 02 June 1939

Thomas Bailey could be this chap
https://www.1879zuluwar.com/t11433-t-bailey-44th-foot?highlight=bailey

Thomas Edwards
https://www.1879zuluwar.com/t11460-thomas-edwards?highlight=edwards


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Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers Empty
PostSubject: Re: Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers   Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers EmptySun Sep 04, 2022 6:17 pm

Hi Kate

Private 2137 Thomas Edwards, 17th (The Duke of Cambridge's Own) Lancers.
Evening Despatch 15 November 1941 confirms his regiment.

Major Valentine Baker did not take part in the Zulu War of 1879.

Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey, 17th (The Duke of Cambridge's Own) Lancers.

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Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers Empty
PostSubject: Re: Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers   Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers EmptySun Sep 04, 2022 6:41 pm

Was working my way through the medal rolls as you were typing Andy and found
2 x T Edwards
Private 1040 T Edwards 3/60th Regiment
Private 1120 T Edwards 88th Regiment
But your 1941 report confirms him as a Lancer
and 3 x T Bailey's
Private 1223 T Bailey 80th Regiment
Private 1025 T Bailey 99th Regiment
Private 1052 T Bailey 99th Regiment

No Valentine Baker
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PostSubject: Re: Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers   Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers EmptyWed Sep 07, 2022 12:10 pm

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Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers Empty
PostSubject: Re: Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers   Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers EmptySat Sep 10, 2022 8:20 am

The famous (possibly infamous) Valentine Baker died in 1887. This has to be a different man who shared the same name.
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Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers Empty
PostSubject: Re: Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers   Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers EmptySat Sep 10, 2022 10:31 am

Funnily enough I've just finished reading an interesting book about Valentine which tries to clear his name.
Called 'A Question of Honour' it is written by Anne Baker and though it puts forward a valid case one has to remember when reading it who the author is!!

'A Question of Honour. The Life of Lieutenant General Valentine Baker Pasha' by Anne Baker
ISBN 0 85052 496 2 Pen and Sword
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PostSubject: Re: Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers   Private 2137 Thomas Edwards 17th Lancers , Valentine Baker, Corporal 1558 Thomas Bailey 17th Lancers EmptySat Sep 10, 2022 4:34 pm

'Imperial Vanities' - a book about the Baker brothers - is another book which puts a case for the defence.
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