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| I can't find a Captain Carr killed in the Zulu War [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Leicester Evening Mail - Friday 12 January 1912 Sir Thomas Carr was the bishop of Bombay from 1837 to 1851 Is there a link here with Colonel Glyn and the Carr family? See here for an interesting little read https://eehe.org.uk/?p=33286 And good old Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Plumptre_Carr_Glyn John Plumptre Carr Glyn The only mention, found to date, of his involvement in the Anglo-Zulu Wars is the following: Lt-Col Bengough arrived in Natal with the 77th Foot in December 1878. He was placed in command of the 2nd Battalion Natal Native Contingent, which formed part of Durnford's Column,[5] and which was left to protect the frontier at Kranz Kop on the departure of that force to join Glyn's Column.
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| This article calls him Capatin Cave [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Leicester Daily Post - Saturday 13 January 1912 |
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| Another article that doesn't mention the family name at all but does mention Stanford Park or more accurately Stanford Hall. Stanford Hall is a stately home in Leicestershire, England, near the village of Stanford on Avon (which is in Northamptonshire) and the town of Lutterworth, Leicestershire and is the ancestral home of the Cave family from 1430. Looking at the Cave Baronet's there is no son killed in the AZW that I can see. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_baronets So it is Cave not Carr but still none the wiser re the AZW fatality [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Leicester Evening Mail - Tuesday 06 February 1912 |
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| Having looked into the Cave Family history as you say, nothing AZW. During my search it was noticed that an additional surname was added, that being Browne. Some went by the name Browne-Cave, some Cave Browne, and even Cave-Browne-Cave. All are named except the 13th Baronet who is listed only as Captain, no name given. This Captain, 13th Baronet, was a Captain in the Royal Navy and although not mentioned as served in the AZW was present at the Bombardment of Alexandria 1882. The article states death in AZW, so probably not him, but either there is another branch, which I can't locate, if not, we revert to the original article, Carr.
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| Hi Kate
Here is a clue for you.
www.1879zuluwar.com/t1169-monument-to-captain-edmund-verney-wyatt-edgellkilled-in-action-at-ulundizululand4-july-1879
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| Thanks Eddie The PI link ties it down to the 1879 conflict. Many of the Naval Brigade did go on to take part in the Anglo Egyptian War but then the memorial says he was killed in the AZW |
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| Looks like it could be it Andy But I wonder were Captain Cave / Carr comes from? The Cave family are linked to Stanford Hall. Neither are even remotely similary to Edmondo Verny The only thing with a similar sound on the memorial is Braye. |
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| Ok another clue
His mother was Henrietta Otway-Cave, Baroness Braye
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| Kate, yes I did state that the Captain did not serve in AZW.
I have found an article which my phone will not allow me to enter. It refers to Isandlwana in the London Gazette Nov 7 1879. It mentions HMS Tenedos and also a Lieutenant Carr. I Googled Captain Carr Isandlwana, it came up, if it's any help. |
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| Henrietta Otway-Cave, Baroness Braye was born on 3 November 1809. She was the daughter of Henry Otway and Sarah Cave, Baroness Braye. She married Reverend Edgell Wyatt-Edgell, son of Edgell Wyatt-Edgell, on 24 September 1844 at Chapel of St. Mark's College, Chelsea, London, England. She died on 14 November 1879 at age 70 at Stanford Hall, Rugby, Northamptonshire, England. Her will was proven (by probate) on 24 December 1879, at under £9,000. She was given the name of Henrietta Otway at birth. On 12 March 1818 Henrietta Otway-Cave, Baroness Braye title's name changed to Henrietta Otway-Cave. From 24 September 1844, her married name became Wyatt-Edgell. She succeeded as the 4th Baroness Braye.
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| Funny I was just reading about Baron Braye and saw the link when you posted up. (If you heard a clang it was the penny dropping ![Joker](/users/1313/16/75/50/smiles/4185588212.gif) ) Well done got there in the end ![Salute](/users/1313/16/75/50/smiles/770175799.gif) |
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| Hi Kate, just wondering if you had noticed my post above re- Lieutenant Carr. I posted it moments before 1879graves posted, as you were engrossed in the Cave family, thought you might have missed it. |
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