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PostSubject: Surruier Captain RE?   Surruier Captain RE? EmptyTue Sep 27, 2022 6:05 pm

N/t of anyone of that name in the RE medal rolls
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Hi All
Found nothing in UK or Canadian records for this spelling or similar.
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PostSubject: Re: Surruier Captain RE?   Surruier Captain RE? EmptyTue Mar 28, 2023 10:09 pm

Hi rai

Try the following spelling: "Serrurier" there may be a spelling mistake.
There are a family of 1820 settlers SA who go by this name, one may have moved to Canada after the war.

The spelling I have suggested is probably right, I have found the following who served in the Boer war:

Private F O H Serrurier. This is probably the private mentioned.
Lance Corporal C L Serrurier. Probably his brother.
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http://vital.seals.ac.za:8080/vital/access/manager/Repository/vital:25995?f0=sm_type%3A%22still+image%22&f1=sm_subject%3A%22Rugby+football+--+South+Africa+--+Eastern+Cape+--+Photographs%22&f2=sm_citation_publication_date%3A%221905%22

F O H Serrurier is second man from left, middle row.
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PostSubject: Re: Surruier Captain RE?   Surruier Captain RE? EmptyWed Mar 29, 2023 10:14 am

Hi All and Thanks Eddie for the spelling.
The only Serrurier in the British Forces about our time period is Johannes Petrus [John Peter] Serrurier B.1823 Cape Colony, comes up on 1833 record Legacies of British Slavery but with no details. Various Commissary listings for Cape Town, Cork Harbour, and the War Department. He marries Caroline Mooney a widow, He dies 12 Feb 1875 Compton Gifford Devon and is buried in Ford Park Cemetery Plymouth. His last rank being Commissary Army Control Department. Caroline emigrates to Canada she dies in 1903 and is buried in Ross Bay Cem Victoria British Columbia, she appears on the findagrave website. So J P not Zulu War, 1871 in Gibraltar. He is in the Stores in Cape Town from 1855 to 1858 and Cork 1860-1863, War Office 1865-67.
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Hi rai

I believe you may be looking for that man's son, just a thought.
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Not trace in the 1877-8-9 Medal Rolls on either variation.

Apart the Commissary J. P. Serrurier, and Caroline Serrurier, no trace in The London Gazette.

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PostSubject: Re: Surruier Captain RE?   Surruier Captain RE? EmptyThu Mar 30, 2023 9:44 am

Hi again.
It seems John and Caroline had no children, the only others i can find are two brothers William b.1851 Highgate and Ronald C, b.1857 Highgate there father was a Banker William Serrurier. I cannot find them after this one census record.
Another, J.C.B Serrurier is listed as Register Supreme Court Cape of Good Hope, for the years 1874/1876/77/78/81/82/1884/1890 to 1895, he could have been in the same position the missing years but i do not have those reords.
The Boer War F.O.H Serrurier i cannot find but do find a F.C.H. Serrurier born 1885. The only Boer War record i did find is for a James Alexander Yule Serrurier born 1861 enlisted 1901 in the Cape Town Town Guard. So more questions then answers.
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PostSubject: Re: Surruier Captain RE?   Surruier Captain RE? EmptyThu Mar 30, 2023 8:08 pm

Hi rai/John

Search the following and you will find private F O H Serrurier on page 5 and Lance Corporal C L Serrurier on page 8:

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Town Guard of Boer war 1899-1901.

The first website that appears is the one you want. But it is remember the father we are looking for.
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PostSubject: Re: Surruier Captain RE?   Surruier Captain RE? EmptyThu Mar 30, 2023 9:51 pm

Eddie,

The father is allegedly an officer in the Corps of Royal Engineers, yet there is no trace in The London Gazette, where his commission should have been gazetted.

With regard to Frederick Oscar Henry SERRURIER, he was born 15th August 1883 in Cape Town.

In his attestation papers for the Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force, dated 8th June 1915, he declares that is a member of the Active Militia Unit the 48th Highlanders.

He also attests that he had previously served in the South African Light Horse.

His next-of-kin was Mabel Serrurier, of, 20 Ashland Avenue, Toronto.

So at least we have a date of birth for the Canadian soldier.

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Eddie,

Just to complicate things further, according to one of the many genealogical websites. F. O. H. Serrurier’s father was Charles George Serrurier, who apparently dies eight years prior to the birth of his son in 1883.

That said I have found a Charles George Serrurier being declared insolvent in 1881, 1883 & 1884 in the National Archives of South Africa. There also applications for mortgage bonds in 1883 & 1884. All in the Cape Town Repository.

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PostSubject: Re: Surruier Captain RE?   Surruier Captain RE? EmptyFri Mar 31, 2023 5:33 pm

Hi rai/John

I have possibly found the marriage of F O H Serrurier and Mabel in Ancestry, but still looking for the father:

Frederick Oscar Serrurier married Mabel Rhoda Duncombe Mon, Oct 28, 1912 in York, Ontario.

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Eddie,

York is the old name for Toronto, Mabel’s children’s shoe shop went bankrupt there in 1924. Details of which are available on the National Archives of Canada

All of this is great for Serrurier family history, but nowhere have we discovered any link whatsoever to the Zulu War of 1879!

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PostSubject: Re: Surruier Captain RE?   Surruier Captain RE? EmptySat Apr 01, 2023 2:08 am

John

I agree, the details of the father are quite elusive, but the more information on the family we find the more likelihood we may find a link. So it may be good to have the information here incase something comes along in the future that we can link it to.
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PostSubject: Re: Surruier Captain RE?   Surruier Captain RE? EmptyThu May 11, 2023 2:53 pm

Hi John/All

I have come across an entry in The London Gazette dated March 2, 1875, where it mentions a J P Serrurier, Royal Engineers, it might be a Lt Col promotion.
I have no access, so cannot get to the details, if anyone has access this might be the father of Pte Serrurier.

Also in books.google.co.uk, having googled the name Serrurier Royal Engineers this entry: Serrurier JP, clerk, 1st class, military store department, Cork. Claiming Emolument for a house £220, these are accounts Houses of Commons Vol 31(1860's).

It seems earlier in his career he was in the Storekeeper Department, Cape town 1846. As listed in an earlier book Volume.

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PostSubject: Re: Surruier Captain RE?   Surruier Captain RE? EmptyMon May 15, 2023 12:25 pm

Eddie,

Only just back in the U.K., hence my tardy response.

2nd March 1875 London Gazette entry relates to the Control Department and the details of the officer replacing the deceased J. P. Serrurier in his late role.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/24186/page/1422

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