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PostSubject: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptySun Dec 04, 2022 7:19 pm

Hi All

lieutenant. Hon Montague Henry Mostyn, 6th Baron (1st Dragoons).


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PostSubject: Re: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptySun Dec 04, 2022 7:53 pm

Eddie,

Sorry I can’t see what you are trying say here?

George Charles Mostyn was the 6th Baron Vauxhall of Harrowden. Born 7th March 1804, so would have been 75 years of age in 1879. Died 28th January 1883.

His son, Hon. Montagu Henry Mostyn had previously served in the 1st (Royal) Dragoons, but I cannot see an obvious Zulu War connection.

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PostSubject: Re: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptySun Dec 04, 2022 9:21 pm

Hi John

The George you mention is the father I believe, there was a son, Major  Hon George Charles Mostyn born 1830 and died in Egypt in 1879. This is not the man I posted above and I don't know where he served.

The Lieutenant Hon Montague I listed above is George's brother I believe, and you have found him. The 6th Baron I believe was George Snr, entered in error.

Thank you for checking.


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PostSubject: Re: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptySun Dec 04, 2022 10:08 pm

Eddie,

Major the Honourable George Charles Mostyn was formerly an officer in the 3rd Royal Surrey Militia, he is not listed as being “active” in Hart’s 1879. He does appear in the retired Militia Field Officers section as having retired his commission on 26th December 1867. There is no mention of any active service. Died in Cairo either on 31st May 1879 or 1st June 1879, depending on which source you consult.

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PostSubject: Re: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptySun Dec 04, 2022 10:14 pm

Thank you John - see my post on-de Bary, today. In relation to Robert Walter Bradstreet, believe he was KIA Isandlwana.
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PostSubject: Re: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptySun Dec 04, 2022 10:57 pm

Eddie,

Sorry once again the connection alludes me.

As to the Honourable Montague [sic.] Mostyn, he seems to have had a curious military career.  
1861: Cornet 1st (Royal) Dragoons.
1865: Retires his commission.
1866: Appointed Paymaster 21st Regiment.
1868: Served in the Abyssinian Campaign where he was ‘specially appointed as a Veterinary Surgeon in that capacity by the Government of India.’ During the campaign he served with the Military Train and the 3rd Dragoon Guards.
1870: Transferred to the 101st Regiment.
1871: Retired to Half-Pay 10th May 1871.

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PostSubject: Re: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptyMon Dec 05, 2022 12:23 am

Thank you John

If you look at the Isandlwana casualties list you will find a Captain Robert Bradstreet.

If you then look at my thread on the De Bary's you will see a sentence about change over names of trustees on Peters Will.
Robert Bradstreet is replaced as a trustee. He I believe was Capt Bradstreet KIA Isandlwana.
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PostSubject: Re: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptyMon Dec 05, 2022 1:11 am

Eddie,

As per my previous reply, I am failing to comprehend a connection between the Mostyn family of the Barons Vauxhall of Harrowdean.

Can you please point out the connection?  As I cannot see one.

I am fully aware that the commanding officer of the Newcastle Mounted Rifles was Captain Robert Bradstreet.  Bradstreet was the Assistant Magistrate of Newcastle, Natal.  He was appointed Captain of the N.M.R. on 11th June 1878, following the resignation of the previous commanding officer, Melmoth Osborn.  

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But I cannot see the link, please enlighten me.

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PostSubject: Re: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptyMon Dec 05, 2022 2:11 am

Hi John

Thank you very much for your assistance and I apologise for any confusion.
What link are you referring to?
I have explained the connection at 12:23 am above.
Charles Robert Bradstreet was a trustee for Peter Alexander Hayward de Bary's Will and Testament, and his name was removed at the trustee meeting and replaced by Bessie Marie Louisa de Bary, as trustee.
The meeting I mentioned in para two and three of the de Bary thread, 12:30am, not this thread, this thread is Mostyn.

All I was asking was, if it was the same man as the man killed in action at Isandlwana, and maybe removed as trustee because of that.
Hope that's ok.
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PostSubject: Re: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptyMon Dec 05, 2022 2:28 am

Hi All

In relation to the original thread, I have found that there is a Captain William Eccles Mostyn 1st 24th KIA at Isandlwana.
He most be a relation to both the Lieutenant Hon Montague Henry Mostyn and Major Hon George Charles Mostyn mentioned in the post above.
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PostSubject: Re: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptyMon Dec 05, 2022 9:44 am

Eddie,

Apart from sharing a common surname, what makes you draw the conclusion that Captain William Eccles Mostyn must be a relation of the family of the Barons of Vaux?

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PostSubject: Re: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptyMon Dec 05, 2022 4:52 pm

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I will rephrase it sorry, may be a relation.
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Eddie,

Try as I might I cannot find a connection to the Mostyn family which were the Barons Vaux of Harrowden, nor the Mostyn family which were the Barons of Mostyn, Flintshire to the family of William Eccles Mostyn.

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William Eccles Mostyn was the son the Reverend George Thornton Mostyn, born 1798 in Ireland, and his wife, Charlotte, nee Eccles, of Glasgow, Scotland.  Which was the city of William Eccles Mostyn’s birth.

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PostSubject: Re: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptyMon Dec 05, 2022 8:55 pm

John

In reference to this thread and the Mostyn family:

I have by sheer coincidence found a link between the family's of the Mostyn's and de Bary's on my other thread.
Not to say there is any link to Captain Mostyn, but the families come from a long line of descendants of King William I.

Google: Rev George Thornton Mostyn. Look down list of websites until you see William1.co.uk, Headed: Tudor 41.
This is a vast list which includes Mary Pauline Mostyn married 1862 to Richard Latins de Bary. Rev, a RC Priest.
These two families most have been very religious as there are many Reverends, Bishops, and nuns in the family.
Mary & Richards daughters both becoming nuns.
Mary Pauline Mostyn and Mary Angela Mostyn as well as
de Bary daughters becoming nuns.
Rev George may well be on that list.

When looking down the list of websites, also notice, anglefire.com
This is a list of the first link to William I.
The first entry being: Barbara Browne married 1st 1748, Sir Edward Mostyn 5th bt 27Apr 1725 - Mar 1755.

They may well be a link to the Captain somewhere.
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PostSubject: Re: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptyTue Dec 06, 2022 12:21 am

Hi John

Google : Baron Vauxhall of Harrowden - see first post - Wikipedia. Enter it scroll down until it mentions Harrowden Hall and the list of barons. When you get to George Mostyn 5th there is a link to the Mostyn Welsh Court.

Finally I have found the link that unit the two Courts "Vaux & Mostyn". Captain William Eccles Mostyn is after all a distant descendant of the Vaux- Mostyn family Court, and related to the Major and Lieutenant mentioned above.

The Vaux family are decendents of Katherine Parr, Kings Consort. The first Baronet being Sir Nicholas Vaux 1695.

The barony remained in abeyance for 175 years, until the abeyance was terminated in 1838 in favour of George Charles Mostyn, who became the 6th Baron. (Father of the Major & lieutenant mentioned above) Son of Mary Lucina Browne Mostyn.
HERE COMES THE LINK:
Grandson of Sir Edward Mostyn 5th Baron of the Mostyn Court in Wales.
The Mostyn family are said to be the result of the amalgamation of five distinct lines, these were known as the five Courts:
Penwern, in the Lordship of Chirland
Mostyn in Tegeingl
Gloddaeth in the Commote of Creuddyn
Trecastell and Tregarnedd in Anglesey.
The Penwern estate in Denbighshire, is said to have been the original home of the family.
(Bangor) Mostyn manuscripts Archives Hub-jisc. This comes up on the same search as the one mentioned.
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Eddie,

So where is the evidence of the family of William Eccles Mostyn’s link to the Mostyn’s of Vaux?

Please substantiate your claim of any relationship.

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Hi John
Yes I understand as Rev George Mostyn was born before 1838. I was also highlighting the fact that the Vaux & Mostyn families had a link to Harrowden. Even so the families Mostyn of Wales are linked, but not directly to the Captain.
I will continue researching this. Do you know Who Dr George Thornton Mostyns father was ?
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Eddie,

I am already too aware that the family name of the Barons Vaux of Harrowden was Mostyn, and that the Barons Mostyn of Mostyn was surprisingly enough Mostyn.  

What I fail to comprehend is why you actually started this entire thread, having established conclusively neither Montagu or George Mostyn had no connection whatsoever to the Zulu War.

As I have previous stated I cannot establish a link between the families having consulted a copy of published authority of ennobled families of England & Wales.

As to the family of George Thornton Mostyn I can find links to Ireland in Dublin and County Tyrone.  There also an illegitimate Mostyn family line in the West Indies.  Interestingly a female member of that line marries an officer of the 24th Regiment.  There was a Dr. Henry Thornton Mostyn who served as a military surgeon from 1809 until 1840.  However, there is no obvious link - barring a common surname - to the ennobled Mostyn families.

As my head hurts from banging against a brick wall, I think it best to draw a line on this discourse, for fear the wall might collapse.

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PostSubject: Re: 6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden   6th Baron Vaux of Harrowden EmptyTue Dec 06, 2022 3:49 pm

John

I hadn't established conclusively neither Montague or George Mostyn had a connection to the Zulu war when I started the thread.

Initially I did not know about a Captain Mostyn at Isandlwana, Initially enquired about the Lieutenant & Major as I thought they may have served.
Yes, I have come across many of the names you mention and had hoped that we could find a link but alas, there are far to many missing family lines. There is only one other Thornton Mostyn in County Scilo, Ireland, but he had no other family information to his name.

Thank you for your patience, after a few posts I honestly thought we were attempting to help eachother, as we both had no link, so to that end, thank you so very much
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