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| Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment | |
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gardner1879
Posts : 3463 Join date : 2021-01-04
| Subject: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:47 pm | |
| Natal Witness 22nd February 1879 Brevet Major Upcher commanding 1-24th Regiment reports that Private John Bye, 1-24th returned as killed on the 22nd January was not killed but was in the hospital at Greytown. Further return of killed on 22nd January Corporal Mansfield RE. Signed J Grenfell Major DAAG |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3314 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:03 pm | |
| J Grenfell Major DAAGI wonder if he was related to Brevet Major Francis Wallace Grenfell, the real D.A.A.G.? These newspaper reporters! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]F.W. Grenfell, circa 1888. (John Young Collection) JY |
| | | Eddie
Posts : 818 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:38 pm | |
| Hi Kate/John
Northwest medals.co.uk still has Private John Bye on their roll of casualties, listed as Pte Bye John 308. The Anglozuluwar.com still has him listed.
Last edited by Eddie on Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:55 pm; edited 1 time in total |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3314 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:37 pm | |
| Eddie,
Fortunately Pte. John Bye, of 1st/24th does not appear as deceased in They Fell Like Stones - The Battles & Casualties of the Zulu War of 1879.
Obviously neither website appears to have consulted that publication when producing their lists.
JY |
| | | Eddie
Posts : 818 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:21 pm | |
| Hi John
Yes, they obviously haven't.
I relation to your earlier post re - J Grenfell being related, I have looked at peerage.com and found that Field Marshal FW Grenfell had three brothers but none having the initial "J":
Pascoe Du Pre Grenfell 4 Jul 1828 - 29 Nov 1896 St Leger Murray Grenfell 1830 - 22 Feb 1860 Arthur Riverdale Grenfell 12 SEP 1831 - 1 Nov 1895
Pascoe Du Pre had nine sons that served in the military, three of which were KIA, but Boer or WWI. One son KIA was Captain Frances Octavius Grenfell VC, 4 SEP 1880 - 24 May 1915.
No details exist of St Leger's children, he died young (30) Arthur never married so it seems F W had a son KIA, Major Hon Arthur Bernard John Grenfell 10th Hussars B 24 Jun 1908 - 23 Jan 1942, age 33. |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3314 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:45 pm | |
| Eddie,
It was “fake news” and my query was actually a pun.
I take it that you are aware that Francis Wallace Grenfell’s claim to fame in the Principality? I have previously corresponded with the 3rd Baron Lord Grenfell with regard to certain aspects of the Zulu War, and his grandfather’s role in it.
JY |
| | | Eddie
Posts : 818 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:32 am | |
| Hi John Never mind at least there's some information for members to read. I know he was made Baron Grenfell of Kilvey, Glamorgan on 15 July 1902 and I know he had the freedom of Swansea in 1889 Grenfell road and Grenfell Tower in London which burnt down is named after him. |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3314 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:08 am | |
| Eddie,
“Your mission if you choose to accept it”…find another Welsh Field-Marshal.
JY |
| | | Eddie
Posts : 818 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:24 am | |
| Hi John
Well that's quite an easy one to answer has he was my old Brigadier and follow Welsh Guardsman, and SAS commander.
Field Marshal Charles Ronald Llewellyn Guthrie GCB, GCBO, OBE, DL, Born 17th Nov 1938. Baron Guthrie of Craigiebank.
Field Marshal HRH The Prince of Wales KG, &c. King Edward VII. Many Royals assumed the rank. |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3314 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:46 am | |
| Eddie,
No a Scotsman born in London, despite having a forename Llewelyn - his mother’s maiden name - does not count.
Buckingham Palace - Wales? I’m glad I never went orienteering with you!
JY |
| | | Eddie
Posts : 818 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:29 pm | |
| Hi John
I mentioned what was the Prince of Wales at the time.
You only asked for one Welsh Field Marshal. The only others linked to Wales I can think of is Earl Roberts, or South African Field Marshal and Welsh Politician Smuts. |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3314 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:45 pm | |
| Eddie,
A person born in India of Irish heritage, and one born in the Western Cape, South Africa, hardly meet the Welsh qualification - unless they are in your national rugby team.
JY |
| | | Eddie
Posts : 818 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:25 pm | |
| Hi John
Neither does a Scotsman born in London. |
| | | Eddie
Posts : 818 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:35 pm | |
| Hi Earl Roberts was born in India but he is the most highly decorated Welshman. |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3314 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:08 pm | |
| Eddie,
To save your suffering I have sent you a pm.
With a father from Waterford, and a mother whose family hailed from Co. Tipperary, Frederick Sleigh Roberts V.C. was born in what then Cawnpore (now Kanpur). Therefore could you please explain to me how he is in your words…the most highly decorated Welshman?
JY |
| | | Eddie
Posts : 818 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:32 pm | |
| I had already mentioned Grenfell above, that's why I was looking for another one. |
| | | Eddie
Posts : 818 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:47 pm | |
| Hi John
Yes, I do apologise, I was mistaken over Lord Roberts. |
| | | Eddie
Posts : 818 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Private 25B/308 John Bye 1/24th Regiment Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:54 pm | |
| Hi John
I mistook Roberts for Rowlands.
General Sir Hugh Rowlands VC, KCB, DL. Wales first recipient of the VC, recommended twice but regulations at time prevented it. Crimean & Anglo Zulu war. |
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