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+5John ADMIN Chelmsfordthescapegoat old historian2 Pick 9 posters | Author | Message |
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Pick
Posts : 30 Join date : 2010-04-11 Age : 69 Location : USA
| Subject: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:31 pm | |
| The above medal, now on E-bay, looks suspicious to me. He is not on my copy of the roll for having received the 1879 bar, so suspect that it has been added. Buyer beware.
Cheers,
Pick |
| | | old historian2
Posts : 1093 Join date : 2009-01-14 Location : East London
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:36 pm | |
| Hi Pick. I have spent a few hours looking for this chap. Nothing. (You could be right) |
| | | Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Posts : 2593 Join date : 2009-04-24
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:10 pm | |
| It look's genuine. How would we know it wasn’t? |
| | | ADMIN
Posts : 4354 Join date : 2008-11-01 Age : 65 Location : KENT
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:06 pm | |
| http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/South-Africa-Medal-1879-AB-J-FAWCETT-HMS-ACTIVE_W0QQitemZ110523873763QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Collectables_Militaria_LE?hash=item19bbbc79e3 |
| | | Pick
Posts : 30 Join date : 2010-04-11 Age : 69 Location : USA
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:05 am | |
| I am sure the medal is genuine, buyt his name does not show on my copy of the men receiving the 1879 bar. So suspicion is that the bar has been added. In my estimation a no bar medal is 300 pounds, the medal with bar is 600 pounds, and the fact that it is buy it now for 450 makes one really doubtful. |
| | | John
Posts : 2558 Join date : 2009-04-06 Age : 61 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:13 am | |
| Makes sence. I won't be bidding. Thanks Pick. |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10890 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: J.FAWCETT Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:59 am | |
| Hi all. I quickly checked the roll and no sign of Fawcett on the Active sheet. But the roll is not infalable . Quickly checked the Medal Year Book for 2008. NO - CLASP , NAVAL MEDAL , value is 280- 300 pd. 1879 Clasp, Naval Medal , 550 - 650 pd. you can more than likely add 50 quid to the No clasp medal , and 100 or so to the 1879 clasp . They tend to go up in value each year , the medals awarded for the zulu war . cheers 90th.
ps Does anyone have the 2010 Medal Year Book , it would be interesting to see what they are valued . |
| | | 1879graves
Posts : 3379 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:19 pm | |
| Hi Pick Welcome to the forum I have spent many hours looking into this medal over the last few days and my gut tells me that there is something not right with it To be 100% sure that it is genuine, I wound need to see it for myself and have it measured. I have checked the medal roll for HMS Active and cannot find that name listed, checked all names ending in double T to see if it has been mis-spelt and have found not a thing I would keep well clear of it. Pick, I do like the medals Thomas Bunce, glad to see you have paired them up. |
| | | tasker224
Posts : 2101 Join date : 2010-07-30 Age : 57 Location : North London
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:27 pm | |
| On the subject of suspicious looking medals, see the link below posted up by 90th today.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SOUTH-AFRICA-ZULU-MEDAL-1879-HMS-SHAH-S-DAWSON-A-B-/170600555364?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item27b895e364
Whilst this chap's details may be correct according to the roll, the naming on the medal is all wrong. The impressed letters of HMS Shah look good, but the original name has been erased and re-engraved. |
| | | 1879graves
Posts : 3379 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:36 pm | |
| [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Hi tasker224 You could be correct, another medal needed to be seen before purchase. |
| | | Pick
Posts : 30 Join date : 2010-04-11 Age : 69 Location : USA
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:05 am | |
| I wouldn't rule it out, difficult only with photos. Often the SHAH is smaller that the man's name, and the large engraved letters are common on the naval awards. My gut says that it's OK, but at 600 pounds already it's overpriced in my opinion. |
| | | tasker224
Posts : 2101 Join date : 2010-07-30 Age : 57 Location : North London
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:48 am | |
| Pick, I accept your greater experience in handling these naval medals, obvious from the other thread. If you think the naming looks correct, that's good enough...we learn something new every day! Without your words, my alarm bells would be ringing. Why the difference in lettering between the name of the ship and the recipient? If the naming is original, would I expect to measure exact same diameters with a micrometer across the medal? Tasker |
| | | Pick
Posts : 30 Join date : 2010-04-11 Age : 69 Location : USA
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:09 pm | |
| With calipers you will get the same distance around the medal, but it is always best to have a "good" medal to compare it to. I don't know why, but SA 1879 medals edge details look "funny" starting with the thickness of the medal seems to vary as you go around the edge. Here is another example: [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] |
| | | Brett Hendey
Posts : 269 Join date : 2010-12-02 Location : Kloof, KZN
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:59 am | |
| I wonder if anyone has the service and discharge record of AB J Fawcett? I have the Queen's South Africa Medal (Tugela Heights, Relief of Ladysmith) awarded to 1st Petty Officer J Fawcett of the Natal Naval Volunteers and I am trying find out more about him. In view of PO Fawcett's rank I have assumed he had previous naval service before joining the NNV, so could AB Fawcett (Zulu War) and PO Fawcett (Boer War) be one and the same man?
I have another QSA to a man who served in the RN at the time of the Zulu War. After leaving the RN he served in two of the irregular units raised for service in the Zulu and Basuto Wars, after which he settled in South Africa. Perhaps Fawcett did the same.
I would be grateful for any information and opinions.
Brett
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| | | tasker224
Posts : 2101 Join date : 2010-07-30 Age : 57 Location : North London
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:44 am | |
| Thanks for the photos Pick.
Brett, if you are unable to get to Kew to search the archives yourself and let's face it, not many of us can, it is worth getting a professional researcher to get these records for you. They will find records a whole lot quicker than you or I could, and much more besides. They are very good value for money too, once you factor in your own time and travel expenses. Try someone like:
http://www.militaryresearchon.com |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10890 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: South Africa Medal 1879 ( AB. J . Fawcett ) HMS Active Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:04 am | |
| Hi all. I was going to suggest the chap I used to do my research but after seeing the site Tasker posted and reading the fine print at the bottom of the page , I think it's the same person I used and he was very good . His name is Jonathan Collins . cheers 90th. |
| | | 1879graves
Posts : 3379 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:13 pm | |
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| | | Brett Hendey
Posts : 269 Join date : 2010-12-02 Location : Kloof, KZN
| Subject: Re: South Africa Medal 1879 (AB J FAWCETT HMS ACTIVE) Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:15 pm | |
| Tasker & 90th Thank you both for your good advice. Hopefully one day I will be able to give a positive report back about J Fawcett.
1879graves Although the NNV in the picture look a decidedly seedy lot, they actually performed well in both the 'Defence' and 'Relief' of Ladysmith. They joined the Naval Brigade that was made up of men from HMS Powerful, HMS Terrible and other ships that were docked in Durban. One of the NNV officers, Lieutenant Chiazzari, was awarded the DSO for leading a group of seamen in successfully bridging the Tugela River on two occasions after the Royal Engineers had failed to do so, a feat that the RE has never acknowledged.
Brett |
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