WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Lord Chelmsford Said .Buller is ‘one of the finest soldiers of the century’, so modest and reticent –that it was difficult to say for what individual deed he had got the Victoria Cross as he had been doing acts worthy of it all along the line
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» One of the lesser-known stories. It took place around the same time as Isandlwana.
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyToday at 7:59 am by Julian Whybra

» NNC Officer List
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyYesterday at 4:40 pm by Ells

» N Batt 5th Bde RA
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyYesterday at 11:52 am by Rory Reynolds

» S.SMITH Buffalo Border Guard
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyFri Jul 03, 2020 2:43 pm by Brett Hendey

» Questions of Time and Place at Isandlwana
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyFri Jul 03, 2020 12:38 pm by Frank Allewell

» Question Regarding the Uniforms of the Officers of the 24th at Isandlwana
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyFri Jul 03, 2020 6:06 am by SRB1965

» Malicious malware on this site
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyThu Jul 02, 2020 10:26 pm by intombe

» Zulu Victory - Views?
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyThu Jul 02, 2020 6:52 pm by WeekendWarrior

» Isandlwana Survivor photo's
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyThu Jul 02, 2020 3:56 pm by Julian Whybra

» Anyone got information on this.
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyThu Jul 02, 2020 3:55 pm by Julian Whybra

» Captn. H. G. Bowen, 88th Foot
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyThu Jul 02, 2020 1:18 pm by gstew88

» The South Africa Medal to HMS Forester - an anomaly?
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyWed Jul 01, 2020 7:41 pm by Petty Officer Tom

» Lieut. R. F. Dixon NMR
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyWed Jul 01, 2020 5:01 am by 90th

» Next month's DNW medal auction
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyTue Jun 30, 2020 6:45 am by 90th

» Zulu war medals on eBay
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyMon Jun 29, 2020 5:14 pm by SergioD

» John Basten
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySun Jun 28, 2020 1:20 pm by Petty Officer Tom

» Lieutenant Walter Robert Higginson NNC
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySun Jun 28, 2020 11:19 am by ciroferrara

» Letter home from Eshowe
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyThu Jun 25, 2020 2:24 pm by Blackcat

» Melvill's Revolver Cylinder
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyThu Jun 25, 2020 10:05 am by Drummer Boy 14

» Assistant Commissary W. Winspear Commissariat Department, present at Gingindlovu
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyMon Jun 22, 2020 12:05 pm by ADMIN

» Orders to laager at Isandhlwana
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySun Jun 21, 2020 7:11 pm by SRB1965

» morale and the siege at Eshowe
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyFri Jun 19, 2020 9:58 am by Blackcat

» CUNNINGHAM
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyFri Jun 19, 2020 8:43 am by Julian Whybra

» ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySat Jun 13, 2020 6:21 am by 90th

» Diamond Fields Horse in Zululand
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyFri Jun 12, 2020 3:01 pm by Rory Reynolds

» Crimes back in England
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyThu Jun 11, 2020 3:44 pm by Catiline63

» Brevet Major. Henry Spalding of Rorke's Drift and Information for Columns
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySat Jun 06, 2020 12:14 pm by Frank Allewell

» Missing Cairns?
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySat Jun 06, 2020 4:04 am by WeekendWarrior

» RE: William Jenkins Goodson
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyThu Jun 04, 2020 8:09 pm by John Young

» A note on O/6 Battery, Royal Artillery.
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySun May 31, 2020 4:09 pm by lydenburg

» Corps of Drums
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySun May 31, 2020 10:10 am by John Young

» 2nd Lieutenant Henry Wilson Lovett, 1st/13th
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySat May 30, 2020 11:48 am by John Young

» Philip Bowe 2658/7 Gatling Field Battery 10/7 Brigade Major Owens
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyFri May 29, 2020 7:28 pm by Doranking

» Lieutenant O'Connell, 60th Rifles. 1880 Isandlwana map.
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyTue May 26, 2020 4:32 pm by Frank Allewell

» More From FindaGrave website
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyTue May 26, 2020 8:09 am by rai

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Rorke's Drift A Soldier's Story with presenter Major John Thomas
Top posters
90th
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
littlehand
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
ADMIN
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
1879graves
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
rusteze
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
John
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
Mr M. Cooper
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
Top posting users this month
Julian Whybra
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
WeekendWarrior
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
Rory Reynolds
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
Petty Officer Tom
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
John Young
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
robgdad
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
SRB1965
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
briannorris@sos.co.za
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
90th
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_leftZulu Witch Doctor 1879 BarZulu Witch Doctor 1879 Bar_right 
Most active topics
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Durnford was he capable.1
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Durnford was he capable. 4
Durnford was he capable.5
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable.2
Durnford was he capable. 3
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Adding to the Library
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The ammunition question
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.

 

 Zulu Witch Doctor 1879

Go down 
AuthorMessage
littlehand

littlehand

Posts : 7086
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 51
Location : Down South.

Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Empty
PostSubject: Zulu Witch Doctor 1879   Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyThu Sep 02, 2010 10:38 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Back to top Go down
Chelmsfordthescapegoat

Chelmsfordthescapegoat

Posts : 2583
Join date : 2009-04-24

Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Empty
PostSubject: Re: Zulu Witch Doctor 1879   Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptyThu Aug 01, 2013 9:09 pm

How were Zulu witch doctors selected, did they have to prove they had special powers. Or is it something that was handed down through generations. 

What was the process for doctoring the warriors prior to battle, did the witch doctors accompany the Impi's to war or remain at the royal house hold. 

The body parts removed from the dead, what were they used for, and which parts were taken. 

Just a few questions?
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Empty
PostSubject: Re: Zulu Witch Doctor 1879   Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySat Aug 03, 2013 1:16 pm

Hi ctsg, they went to school..basically
those interested in these arts approached
their future teacher and was effectively
apprenticed to him for several years till he\
she was confident enough to pay their tea-
cher, then they simply set up their own
practice in their locale. sauce.A.T.Bryant.

incidentally any body who has his book ' Zulu
medicine and medicine-men..would you please
post the only illustration. as im still ignorant
re posting images\vids.thank you regards Les.
Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

Frank Allewell

Posts : 7488
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 73
Location : Cape Town South Africa

Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Empty
PostSubject: Re: Zulu Witch Doctor 1879   Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 7:13 am

CTSG
Not at home at present, once I am, I will look up Credo Mutwa.

Cheers
Back to top Go down
barry

barry

Posts : 921
Join date : 2011-10-21
Location : Algoa Bay

Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Empty
PostSubject: Witch doctor "Imingoma, Isanusi,, inYanga,,zokoBula etc   Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 3:28 pm

Hi CTSG,

I am sure that the mysterious practises of the Zulu witch doctors puzzle many who dont know the lore.
So, I looked up what  Robert Samuelson had to say about this in his book "Long  Ago". Robert was the son of a Norwegion missionary and was raised deep in Zulu country on the mission station run by his parents at St Pauls which is near Eshowe. In his day he was known as the top  linguist and fundi on Zulu culture in the country.
His use of  language in his book  is a little quaint, but here goes.

quote;
The individuals who rejoice in the names, ( in the header ) are that part of the native population which represents the lowest strata of human life , always bent on and working on the destruction of life , liberty  peace and happiness. They have no redeeming point about them.
The Imingoma, otherwise called Izangoma  and the Izanusi, though differently named , carry on the same practises. The Imangoma derived their appelation from the fact that when they enter upon the noviate in the practise which they intend to carry on, wander about chains of mountains and live (almost as a feral) on roots etc for survival, until they are reduced to skeletons and begin to rave. The Izanusi is the other name for the Izangoma and is derived from Anula , the zulu word  that expresses  "to unravel  secret and undescoverable things" ; the word really coming from the causative to or assist in doing what Anula commands.
Abathakti are those who have taken up the avocation of compounding concoctions and poisons and travelling about at night carrying out their nefarious work of using these compounds for the destruction and injury of their fellow man. The singular Zulu word for Abathaki is Umthakathi , which is a verbal noun from Thaka, ie to compond (medicines).
Imikhovu  are those imaginary human beings , of pigmy size (tokoloshe), which it is said are the messengers of the Abathakathi, the tips of whose tongues , it is said have been cut off by their principals to prevent them from revealing secrets, should they be caught. They are commissioned by their principals to carry out their work and it is said they frequent cemeteries , exhume the dead, and take portions of exhumed bodies for their principals, and by our standards would be known as ghouls.
The Izinwelaboya are real human beings , who go about seizing any lonely traveller, killing  him and cutting  off snips from all imaginable parts of the body, ie taking off hair from all parts, and use same with their other nostrums, to carry out their work of harm and poisoning .
It would seem incredible to most readers that such people do exist , but I can vouch for one example of their work, which came under my personal observation in Zululand many years ago. It was near Red Hill (Nthaba Ibomvu), a remote, weird and uncanny place, just three miles from my old home near the Inkwenkwe Hill , where there was found by passers by, a dead Zulu, cut open , pegged out like the skin of an animal would be pegged out to dry, with numerous parts of his face and genitals missing. The culprit was never found......,

unquote

So, the butchery at Isandlwana and Rorkes Drift was very must part of the culture.

Samuelson was the leader of the Driefontein Scouts and it was he who led this group of christian Zulu (aBakolwe), ie Molefe, Kkambule, et al, from Edendale, into battle against Ceteswayo in support of his colonial masters. Many acts of very conspicios gallantry were committed by these men in battle, but they were never recognised or rewarded.  

It was also Samuelson, along with Advocates Schreiner, Renaud and Miss Harriet Colenso who led the defence of King Dinizilu ka Cetewayo Zulu, at his trial in Greytown.  


regards

barry


Last edited by barry on Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:14 am; edited 4 times in total
Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

Frank Allewell

Posts : 7488
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 73
Location : Cape Town South Africa

Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Empty
PostSubject: Re: Zulu Witch Doctor 1879   Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 4:11 pm

One of the recognisable points of a sangoma is the lack of hair on the inside of the left leg. This is, by tradition, because they travel around on hyenas, sitting on the back almost side saddle and running with the left leg, thus causing the hair to be rubbed of the inside of the leg.
So gentlemen when you go to bed this evening take a sureptious look at your good ladies legs, if theres no hair there then be afraid, very afraid Suspect 

Shocked
Back to top Go down
John

John

Posts : 2558
Join date : 2009-04-06
Age : 57
Location : UK

Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Empty
PostSubject: Re: Zulu Witch Doctor 1879   Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 9:41 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Conductor Kagore (b. 1954)
Using his magic powers the N'anga (witch doctor) rides on a hyena to faraway villages.
Source: Flickr William Andrus.
Back to top Go down
littlehand

littlehand

Posts : 7086
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 51
Location : Down South.

Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Empty
PostSubject: Re: Zulu Witch Doctor 1879   Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 10:39 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Zulu witch doctor, human skull, South Africa
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Empty
PostSubject: Re: Zulu Witch Doctor 1879   Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySat Oct 05, 2013 3:34 pm

Mpatshana Ka Sodondo

" Thw War Doctors. a son of Manembe, viz. Ndwetshe of the Dumisa people,
and a son of Kondhlo, viz.Manyelindhlele of the Mazibuko people, were the
principle ones. these were the great men who doctored the circle of men,
when all the great men and the adult males of Zululand were gathered to-
gether. These are the ones upon whom devolved the duty of roasting the
meat of the Bull. after these came Nkamba Ka Magidigidi of the Nsibande
people. these Doctors were all men of Zululand. they were in charge of
Doctoring the Imi at Ndondakusuka.

When the Isandhlwana affair occured, we had a Msutu Doctor. i do not know
his name. he made a mark to be made thus, with black powder ( umsizi ).
( diagram of a simple face showing a vertical black mark straight down the
middle of the forehead to the bridge of the nose.) cheers
Back to top Go down
6pdr

6pdr

Posts : 1086
Join date : 2012-05-12
Location : NYC

Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Empty
PostSubject: Re: Zulu Witch Doctor 1879   Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySat Oct 05, 2013 8:58 pm

springbok9 wrote:
So gentlemen when you go to bed this evening take a sureptious look at your good ladies legs, if theres no hair there then be afraid, very afraid
Not getting involved  There are some things I'd rather not know at this point... No 
Back to top Go down
littlehand

littlehand

Posts : 7086
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 51
Location : Down South.

Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Empty
PostSubject: Re: Zulu Witch Doctor 1879   Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 EmptySat Dec 14, 2013 7:59 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Empty
PostSubject: Re: Zulu Witch Doctor 1879   Zulu Witch Doctor 1879 Empty

Back to top Go down
 
Zulu Witch Doctor 1879
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: ZULU REGIMENTS & CORPS ZULU WAR 1879 ATTIRE AND WEAPONS-
Jump to: