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PostSubject: 1879 Graves where are you.....   1879 Graves where are you..... EmptySun Apr 26, 2009 9:26 pm

1879 Graves. Where are you. you haven’t got lost looking for Gerald Herbert Fenton grave have you.


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I had a P/M from 1879Graves.
He very busy at the moment, but he will be back.
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Well then that's good. I was getting a bit concerned.
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PostSubject: Re: 1879 Graves where are you.....   1879 Graves where are you..... EmptySun Jun 28, 2009 3:17 pm

Has it been that long?

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Well I am now back and just trying to catch up with things. Many thanks for all your concerns. :)
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PostSubject: its been a while   1879 Graves where are you..... EmptyMon Jun 29, 2009 1:04 am

1879 graves, i was a little worried i thought you may have gone down with the shah (hms), while trying to locate, ord seaman j. parkhouse :lol!: glad you are back.

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PostSubject: Re: 1879 Graves where are you.....   1879 Graves where are you..... EmptyMon Jun 29, 2009 9:35 pm

Talking of J. Parkhouse, I very dear friend of mine, put this into my mail box for me.

John Parkhouse



Born c 1856 place of birth stated to be Bath / Bristol but no definite registration found. Son of Joseph Parkhouse wife (according to census) is Ann, maiden name unknown.


1860: 2 marriages took place in June qtr 1860 on same register page, in Bath registration district, the grooms were Philip Perchard and Joseph Parkhouse, the brides: Elizabeth Lilley and Sophia Shepherd. I have been unable to isolate either of these couples on the subsequent census returns so I am unable to say with 100% certainty who married whom or even if this is the correct Joseph Parkhouse.



1861 census shows family living at 19 Lower Borough Walls, St James, Bath. Joseph is aged 20 (would only have been 16 when John was born), and ‘wife’ Ann was 23. (would have been 19 at time of birth) son John was 4 years old in 1861 (= c1856 birth) and daughter Sarah was 3 months. No marriage registration can be found for Joseph and Ann, nor any birth in the name of Parkhouse for John.
The situation with Joseph’s age at that time raises the questions 1) were Joseph and Ann actually married? 2) If not married at the time of the birth was John registered in his mother’s maiden name? Hence the reason no birth registration can be found in the name of Parkhouse. As subsequent census returns show Joseph with a wife called Elizabeth I think what may have taken place is that Joseph & Ann had a child but were too young to marry, the child was therefore obliged to take the mothers (maiden) name although he was always known by the name of Parkhouse. The mother later died and was registered at death in her maiden name, Joseph then married Elizabeth.

(At this point the story appears to straighten out)
1871 census shows Joseph snr living at Argyle Yard, Grove St, Bath. Stated to be married, his wife at the time of the census was visiting the Jones family in Lugwardine, Herefordshire (she was born in Marley Herefordshire) and whilst visiting had taken the youngest child Albert with her. Living with Joseph in Bath are sons John aged 14, described as an ‘errand boy’, and son Joseph aged 7. Joseph senior is now earning a living as a ‘cellarman’. There is no sign of the daughter, Sarah.


1881 March qtr. John married Elizabeth Fox; Bath registration district.



Census for the year 1881 (taken Apr 3rd) shows Joseph snr, wife Elizabeth, son Albert E. Parkhouse 11, and daughter Bertha Parkhouse 9, living at 5 Millers Court. Birth registrations have been found for these children, Albert was born March qtr 1870, and Bertha born Dec qtr 1871. Also living at that address with the family is 25 year old Elizabeth Parkhouse, “daughter in law” (john’s wife). Joseph is working as a wines & spirits porter.



1881 census shows John aboard HMS Royal Adalaide, docked in Devon. Rank given as Able Seaman. aged 25, married.



1891: Census shows John now discharged from Navy living with his wife Elizabeth at 4 Orchard Cottages, Bath, with them is their daughter Elizabeth aged 8 (born Devon) son Albert E. aged 5 born Bath, and son Edward aged 3 born Bath. John is now earning a living as a groom / ostler.


1899: John died at the age of 42 years in the June qtr of 1899 Bath registration district.



1901 census: Widowed Elizabeth living at 12 Orchard Cottages with son Edward, Elizabeth working as a laundress whilst son Edward (13) is a tram conductor. Also living with them is Elizabeth’s nephew Henry Fox, aged 33, a porter.
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1879 graves,

well done mate, you and your offsider are legends, picked these details off his papers,
born st james BATH , 3rd aug 1856, signed up 14 dec 71, commencement of engagement 3rd aug 74, 5 ft 1-4 inch tall ,fresh complexion, dark brown hair, hazel eyes , papers state parents as JOSEPH and ELIZABETH. his service finished aboard H.M.S ROYAL ADELAIDE in 1884, on the same ship in 1881 as you said. i will go through his papers and see what else i can find if you are interested.

thanks very much , regards 90th.
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90th wrote:
i will go through his papers and see what else i can find if you are interested.

90th if you can please, any information helps

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749 Royal Navy South African Zulu War Medal, clasp “1879”
A good example awarded to ?J.Parkhouse Ord HMS Shah? Little edge contact wear. GC (£250 - £300)

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90th Did I not read somewhere on the forum that you had a Royal Navy South African Zulu War Meda.
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PostSubject: navy medal   1879 Graves where are you..... EmptyFri Jul 03, 2009 1:49 am

hi 24th.

Yes, i own the south african war medal awarded to J. PARKHOUSE HMS SHAH, There are some photos that were posted back in april or may, i puchased it in 2008, from , billfriarmedals.co.uk, it was 545 quid and he sold it to me for 500 quid, there isnt to many naval medals around so i was happy with the price, as i purchased 8 medals off him, he was generous with discounts, i even got the wife and kids to buy into the medals, wife has 2, the 2 kids 1 each !!. i have purchased 12 in the last couple of years, and had them researched, can be very hard to read some of the papers. if you can afford they are a good investment, according to the medal year book, they have tripled in value since 2001 !!!.

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PostSubject: reply to 1879 graves   1879 Graves where are you..... EmptyFri Jul 03, 2009 1:53 am

hi 1879 graves.

i would be very happy if you could dig up more info on j parkhouse, what info would you like me to send you ??. as im not sure what you may already have ?.

cheers 90th.

ps . thanks for the offer, much appreciated.
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PostSubject: bosley link   1879 Graves where are you..... EmptyFri Jul 03, 2009 2:00 am

hi s.d .

thanks for the bosley link , i had come across it previously.
cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: 1879 Graves where are you.....   1879 Graves where are you..... EmptyFri Jul 03, 2009 5:31 pm

Hi 90th are the other 7 Medals also to do with the AZW. or other.
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PostSubject: medals   1879 Graves where are you..... EmptySat Jul 04, 2009 12:49 am

hi 24th.

I Didnt really explain my post very well, all of the medals are the campaign medal from the A.Z.W, a total of 15.
my initial idea was to purchase and SELL, but i dont wish to part with them, and i intend to keep them indefinetly.
cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: 1879 Graves where are you.....   1879 Graves where are you..... EmptySat Jul 04, 2009 11:58 am

Don't suppose you could post the names of the ones you have. ( And I agree with you. I would keep them,something to pass down, not just for value. But for the histroy connected to them.
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PostSubject: medals   1879 Graves where are you..... EmptySat Jul 04, 2009 2:49 pm

hi john.

here are the names.
SAPPER. W. PHASEY 30TH COMPANY R.E.
PVT. J . BUNN 57TH REGT
TPR. L .SCHROEDER 2ND CAPE MTD YEOMANRY.
PVT. E .HARPER 17TH LANCERS
PVT. W. CLARK 1/24TH REGT
PVT. C .STUART 2/21ST REGT
TPR. W. MINNIE E/ 3RD CAPE MTD YEOMANRY
PVT. W. SHRIMPTON 3/ 60TH REGT
ORD SMEN . J. PARKHOUSE . H.M.S. SHAH
DVR. T. HERRIDGE. 6TH BRIG. R.A.
BMDR. T. QUINN 6TH BRIG R.A.
PVT. W. WATKINS 57TH REGT

all the above have been awarded the 1879 CLASP.

the following three were awarded the 1877-78-79 CLASP.

PVT. E ASTIN 90TH REGT
PVT. H. TAYLOR 90TH REGT
PVT. D. ROGERS 90TH REGT.

cheers 90th.
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