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Hello

When Captain Cox's 1 / 13 th Foot defends the Cattle Kraal to Kambula with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot against the onslaught of the Zulu regiment uNokhenke, how many men he has exactly, how far have charged the Zulu and how long did the melee before the British Withdrawal ?

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PostSubject: Re: Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot    Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot  EmptyWed Jan 11, 2012 9:06 am

Even the historians of the forum have nothing on it? scratch
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"At 2:15 p.m., the Zulu center and left horn belatedly launched their attacks. The center moved against the southeast of the redoubt, while the left horn advanced into the dead ground below the south face of the laager. The uNokhenke stormed upward toward the redoubt, which was commanded by Major William Knox Leet of the 1st Battalion, 13th Light Infantry (1/13). The attackers were checked by the determined resistance of two companies of the 1/13 and one company of the 90th positioned there, together with the fire of the two emplaced mule guns, under the command of Lieutenant Frederick Nicholson, Royal Artillery.

The uNdi corps, which had been defeated at Rorke's Drift, now rushed the cattle kraal being defended by Captain William Cox and some 150 men of the 1/13. Wave upon wave of Zulus rushed forward from their position in the former camp of Wood's Irregulars. Cox and his men stoutly contested their front, meeting the warriors with the point of the bayonet, but their resistance was futile. Cox fell, shot through the leg; four of his men were killed and seven wounded. Wood sent a runner to order Cox to evacuate the position. Hard pressed, the soldiers retreated up the slope toward the ridge. Private William Grosvenor saw Colour Sergeant Arthur Fricker fall to the ground and rushed to his assistance. He helped the wounded noncommissioned officer to his feet, but Fricker was dazed. Rather than desert him, Grosvenor stood over the wounded man and fought against the Zulus until he finally slumped, mortally wounded, over Fricker–who would survive, thanks to the private's selfless courage."
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot    Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot  EmptyWed Jan 11, 2012 11:49 am

Bravo :lol!:
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot    Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot  EmptyWed Jan 11, 2012 12:51 pm

Hello Littlehand


Thank you, but there is a problem, according to Ian Knight, Captain Cox's 1 / 13 th Foot Defend the Cattle Kraal at the battle of Kambula with 1 - 1 / 2 companies of the 1 / 13 th Foot against the onslaught of the Zulu regiment uNokhenke ... Not the Undi Corps ...

In addition 150 men for a company 1 / 2 is too round like figure ... You sure you did not ... more

Should they start according to historians ...

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PostSubject: Re: Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot    Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot  EmptyThu Jan 12, 2012 7:40 am

Hello Littlehand

Your post is diametrically opposed to what Ian Knigt wrote in "Twillight of a warrior nation" on page 77 ...

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PostSubject: Re: Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot    Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot  EmptyMon Jan 16, 2012 6:54 am

Hi all

There is a problem between me and Littlehand,his post is diametrically opposed to what Ian Knigt wrote in "Twillight of a warrior nation" on page 77 ... according to Ian Knight, Captain Cox's 1 / 13 th Foot Defend the Cattle Kraal at the battle of Kambula with 1 - 1 / 2 companies of the 1 / 13 th Foot against the onslaught of the Zulu regiment uNokhenke ... Not the Undi Corps ...

In addition 150 men for a company 1 / 2 is too round like figure ... You sure you did not ... more

What is your opinion?

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PostSubject: Re: Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot    Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot  EmptyMon Jan 16, 2012 10:57 am

Pascal
British companies would consist of 100 men normally.
A the time of Kambula in the Zulu War, because of illness and men on detached duty, the 1/13th were down to about 75 men per company; the 90th were down to between 80-85 men per company.
Thus Cox’s company was 75-men strong and Hackett was sent out with two companies totalling about 160 men (literally the equivalent of one and a half companies).
I think that’s how the discrepancy arose between the two accounts.
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot    Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot  EmptyMon Jan 16, 2012 12:23 pm

Pascal MAHE wrote:
Hello Littlehand


Thank you, but there is a problem, according to Ian Knight, Captain Cox's 1 / 13 th Foot Defend the Cattle Kraal at the battle of Kambula with 1 - 1 / 2 companies of the 1 / 13 th Foot against the onslaught of the Zulu regiment uNokhenke ... Not the Undi Corps ...
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the uNdi corps and in particular the uNokhenke ibuthu succeeded in getting into the cattle Kraal. Hackett then drove them out with two companies of the 90th,

Therefore both Littlehand and Ian knight would be correct.

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Thank Springbok
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot    Captain Cox's with 1 - 1 / 2 companies 1 / 13 th Foot  EmptyMon Jan 16, 2012 2:57 pm

good evening Littlehand


In his book "Zulu war 1879, twilight of a warrior nation" on page 77 ,Monsieur Ian Knight Write:

"The uNokhenke ibutho, on the left of the Zulu center Moved down and Carried Into the valley on the right up to the walls of the cattle kraal.There Were A Flury of hand-to - hand fighting with the men of the 1 / 13 th stationed there ".

This is not about the Undi corps as you say, even if the Undi corps belonged to the Zulu chest in this battle...

I would love to know your sources , Littlehand ...

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Pascal. Littlehands source: Was taken from the article written by John Young and originally published in the March 1998 issue of Military History.
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