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PostSubject: Was it a dog at Rordke's Drift?    Was it a dog at Rordke's Drift? EmptyMon Dec 26, 2011 7:05 am


HI

-Was it a dog at Rordke's Drift?
- Who was he?
- What color?
- What race?
- Has he fought?
- Has he been killed or injured?
- A medal it been?

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PostSubject: A dog a Rorkes Drift    Was it a dog at Rordke's Drift? EmptyMon Dec 26, 2011 8:20 am


Bonjour Pascal,

Indeed there was a dog at Rorke's Drift.
It was white dog and caused a major scare and stand-to the first night after the magnificent rout at RD. The black troops, NNC etc, being very supersticious, were very perturbed by its appearance, (as they saw it as a sinister omen), out of the darkness in the middle of the night.
It took quite some time for the stand-down order to be given after the dog left the scene on its own. It's origins are unknown and I would speculate that it was a rural mongrel on a scavenging mission.
On another occaision, a tame baboon on its tethering chain caused even more consternation when it ran across a corrugated iron roof, with the chain making a terrible din also , also in the pre-dawn hours.

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PostSubject: Was it a dog at Rordke's Drift?    Was it a dog at Rordke's Drift? EmptyMon Dec 26, 2011 9:15 am

Hello Barry

I have one in metal miniature,accompanying myfigure of Kerry Jordan, as I would know what to do, but there not there a painting on Rorke's Drift wit a dog ?

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Pascal

If you type in 'Rorke's Drift' on google, then click on images, you should get a good selection of paintings etc, to look at. There is a painting on there that shows the white dog in the centre of the painting.
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Bonjour Monsieur

Yes thank you, I seemed to have seen a painting of Rorke's Drift with a dog ...

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"Pip was a terrior. He did his part in the defence - by jumping on the mealie bag parapets and barking at Zulus- who were hiding in the long grass and sneaking up to the defences, then biting any Zulu who came within range. Unfortunately Pip was not officially recognised for his part in the action. He was not awarded a VC, on the basis that he was a volunteer canine that accompanied an officer, rather than a War Office issued canine. Conversely, if Pip had been killed, then he would not have been officially listed as a casualty, as he accompanied the army in a strictly private capacity".
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Hi

Yes, in the army of Victoria, it's not just men who are victims of injustice, dogs too ...

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Yes, in the army of Victoria, it's not just men who are victims of injustice.

Yes pascal you have a good point, A good example was the treatment of Capt: Carey. It was a good thing the queen stepped in when she did. Or an innocent man would have been found guilty.

The young Prince accompanied the army in a strictly private capacity". But he was listed as a casualty not quite the same treatment as a dog..
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And the case of the lieutenant who abandons his soldiers on the Intombi Drift, it is not sad either ...

Ps: I need how many good points for a picture?

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Pip the dog is on the new header 'Defence of Rorke's Drift'.
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Pascal. It might be worth using the search box located at bottom lefthand side home page. Some of your posts have been covered before in other threads. It may save you some time and answer many of your question.
Points are based on quantity of posts not individual items like photos.

At present 90th is the top post with 3168 posts to his name.

The list of top posters can also be found lefthand side home page.


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thank you Admin

I'm not going on this forum for fun, contrary to what Cerain might think.

My obsession is to find much documentation on this forum and people there are well documented (there are also, which are really lovely as Tasker 224 or Barry)

In fact I want to get the armies of miniatures for my old age, just about all British colonial wars in South Africa before 1899, and as this is not the playful side that interests me in the games, but the realism history (number of units and uniforms) and especially the psychological and defeats British are perfect for this, it is also more than I buy a lot of books given to me by some people in this forum ...

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Thank you Monsieur Cooper

For the dog to Rorke's Drift, I knew I had seen one somewhere in Rorke's Drift, This is great, because I have this dog in miniature ...

As for the color against the horses of historical figures, there is a problem ...

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Bojour Pascal,

It seems that there were two white dogs at Rorks Drift , one, Pip the terrier, and another stray visitor of unknown breed or vintage.

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Hello Barry

Or have you heard of the second dog?

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Pascal,

I know of a second dog at Rorke's Drift. "Jack" was owned by Surgeon James Henry Reynolds. For a photograph of "Jack" see page 64 of Lee Stevenson's 'The Rorke's Drift Doctor'.

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Bonjour Pascal,

My earlier post on this thread refers to a white dog coming through the lines in the pre dawn hours of on 24th January 1879 .It came through in the NNC sector and upset them such that it gave rise to a "Stand -to". As quickly as it appeared it dissappeared again, back through the lines into the darkness, and was unlikely to have been any one of the two other dogs known to have been there.
Tpr Clarke specifically reports this event in his diary, under 24th January 1879.


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Hi Kwajimu.
I've been trying to get that book for a while , its hard to find !. Suspect .
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A while ago a photo was posted, of a group photo of the RD defenders. Among the defenders another dog was identified or debated if it was or wasn't a dog. Can't remember where it was posted. Anyone remember.
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Thank you for the continued support of some, the case of dog Rorke's Drift is

set for me since I see how it was and I even know his name !

Now there, ASet the case concerning the color of the horse of Durnford and the horse of Wood ...

Thank you for helping me, because I have the figures these personalitées

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PostSubject: was it a dog at R.Drift    Was it a dog at Rordke's Drift? EmptySat Dec 31, 2011 6:20 am

Hi All .
This is something that will put the cat among the pigeons ! , and its referring to the dogs at R.Drift . Ian Knight
covers this in his book ' Companion To The Zulu War ' and I think this has been covered previously but here goes .
Pip Lets deal with him first ...... From the book . '' One question about the ' dogs of war ' in zululand remains ; Who
is the dog in the famous photograph of ' B ' Co , 2 / 24th , taken at Pinetown at the end of the war ?. It has often been
identified as PIP , a terrier belonging to Lt.Bromhead's senior officer in B Co , Capt. A.G . Godwin - Austen . Godwin - Austen was wounded on the Cape Frontier and when he returned to England apparantley left PIP with Bromhead . Yet
the dog in the photo appears to be a Spaniel , not a terrier , and he sits beside a private soldier , not Bromhead. PIP ,
indeed , was probably left at the Eastern Cape , when only FLIP and the ill- fated KRELI were allowed to accompany
the Battalion to Natal . Whoever the dog is he was probably picked up by the Company along the way of it's travels after Rorkes Drift .

FLIP was a Dalmation owned by Col. H.G. Degacher . Kreli was a yellow dog who was the last of about 40 dogs
who took off after the train as it left East London heading to Natal . With the troops cheering the Col ordered the
train to stop and KRELI was reunited with FLIP. FLIP was lucky to survive Isandlwana and made his way back to
R.Drift with a severe spear wound in his shoulder and still had a rope around his neck . Kreli was never seen again .

Surgeon Reynolds also had his terrier ' DICK ' with him and by the time the Column crossed into zululand there were
many other dogs with it . Footnote 96 in referance to ' DICK ' states ; '' There is no doubt that the dog present at R.D
was Reynold's , although some confusion remains about his name which is given varously as ' DICK ' or ' JACK ' . Since he seems to have been a Jack Russell Terrier - which may have confused the matter - I have preferred ' DICK '.
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Thank you all

In conclusion there was only one dog at RD and was with the surgeon ...

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