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PostSubject: Memorial to men of the 2nd btn 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment   Memorial to men of the 2nd Btn 24th Regiment - Page 2 EmptyMon Feb 20, 2012 10:40 pm

Tasker

Yes, I saw that, but as you say, it was erected by 'admiring' civilians, so they would not know the in's and out's of it all. I should imagine that the proper way of doing this would be the mans name, followed by V.C. then the regiment that he won his V.C. with, and then the regiment that it became after the 1881 reforms.

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Alfred Henry Hook, V.C.
24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment, (later SWB)
Died March 12th 1905, aged 54
Erected by etc, etc.

I should imagine that there are many memorials and headstones that get things wrong, it is one of those things I'm afraid, but if the soldier is a V.C. winner, then I would say that the regiment in which he won his V.C. should be the first listed.


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PostSubject: Re: Memorial to men of the 2nd Btn 24th Regiment   Memorial to men of the 2nd Btn 24th Regiment - Page 2 EmptyTue Feb 21, 2012 6:57 am

Hi all
Sacred Sir Stanley Baker, now full of people think the 24 th was a Welsh regiment

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PostSubject: Re: Memorial to men of the 2nd Btn 24th Regiment   Memorial to men of the 2nd Btn 24th Regiment - Page 2 EmptyTue Feb 21, 2012 5:59 pm

Martin, yes I agree.

Pascal, Bill Cainan and Julian Whybra have already stated that there never was and never has been, even today, a Welsh national regiment.
Even today, the Welsh Guards, the Royal Welsh Regiment etc etc are part of the BRITISH Army. As are the Scots - unless the Scots soon gain independence!
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PostSubject: Re: Memorial to men of the 2nd Btn 24th Regiment   Memorial to men of the 2nd Btn 24th Regiment - Page 2 EmptyTue Feb 21, 2012 6:07 pm

Hi Tasker224

But even in the Scottish regiments, there were guys who were not Scottish ... All British normally but some were committed under a false name ... ( no british )

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PostSubject: Memorial to men of the 2nd btn 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment   Memorial to men of the 2nd Btn 24th Regiment - Page 2 EmptyTue Feb 21, 2012 6:49 pm

Pascal

What tasker is saying is that all the regiments are part of the British Army. There are those that have Welsh or Scottish in their title, this is because many of them were first raised in those nations. There are, however, some regiments that were moved to different parts of Britain and later amalgamated with other regiments, and although some of those regiments have their roots in either England, Wales or Scotland, they are still all part of the British Army, and all British regiments.

It would be interesting to see what would happen to some of those regiments if say Scotland, England and Wales became independent from each other. Would the old 43rd (Monmouthshire) regiment go back home to the south Wales border, and the old 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment, and the old 69th (South Lincolnshire) regiment, (which was the old redesignated 2nd Battalion of the old 24th), come back home to England, and what would happen to the Scottish regiments that had been moved about, and also the Scottish border regiment? scratch

I think that there would be a few headaches for someone in government if this sort of thing happened, still, it would serve them right for moving the regiments about in the first place. :lol:

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Hi Martin

Yes they only british regiment in the british army,the rest is litterature but

some men were committed under a false name in the british regiments ,because they are not british...

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PostSubject: Memorial to men of the 2nd btn 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment   Memorial to men of the 2nd Btn 24th Regiment - Page 2 EmptyWed Feb 22, 2012 3:32 pm

Hi Pascal

Yes, there were some men that gave false names, this was to avoid being traced by their (or the ladies) families. There are today many men that are in, say, the Scots Guards, but they themselves are not Scots, this is also true in the Irish and Welsh Guards, there are no 'English' Guards as such, the others being the Grenadier Guards and the Coldstream Guards.

The Guards regiments are, The Grenadier Guards, The Coldstream Guards, The Scots Guards, The Irish Guards, and The Welsh Guards.

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PostSubject: Re: Memorial to men of the 2nd Btn 24th Regiment   Memorial to men of the 2nd Btn 24th Regiment - Page 2 EmptyWed Feb 22, 2012 3:56 pm

And the "Gay Gordons"
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Nice one Chard. :lol: :lol:
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