WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu: Colour Sergeant Bourne : The sentries report Zulus to the southwest. Thousands of them.
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» Colour - Sergeant George William Mabin
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyYesterday at 10:54 am by Visitor

» Remembering Prince Phillip
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyFri Apr 09, 2021 5:39 pm by Herbie

» New British Muzleloaders videos on Isandlwana
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyFri Apr 09, 2021 4:10 pm by 90th

» In Affectionate Remembrance of P.C. Stephens
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyFri Apr 09, 2021 10:55 am by John Young

» Trpr. Simpson's medal
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyThu Apr 08, 2021 5:13 pm by Julian Whybra

» Someone maybe able to help. 2235 Pte A F Edmonds J7th DCOLrg
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyThu Apr 08, 2021 3:30 am by 90th

» Medal ribbon on Patrol Jacket
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptySun Apr 04, 2021 9:47 pm by John Young

» Zulu War Medal
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptySun Apr 04, 2021 6:23 pm by Kenny

» One of the lesser-known stories. It took place around the same time as Isandlwana.
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptySun Apr 04, 2021 9:54 am by Julian Whybra

» List of identified bodies at Isandlwana
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptySun Apr 04, 2021 9:29 am by Julian Whybra

» Isandlwana Survivor photo's
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptySat Apr 03, 2021 7:06 pm by ADMIN

» <Pte. W. Dunne 2nd Btn 3rd (East Kent) Regiment ('The Buffs') & Sgt. O. Hydenburg (Aydenburg) Natal Native Contingent,)
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyFri Apr 02, 2021 1:33 pm by gardner1879

» William Papworth. Alan Gardner's servant.
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyThu Apr 01, 2021 10:28 pm by gardner1879

» Smith-Dorrien 1881
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyThu Apr 01, 2021 5:45 pm by John Young

» Archibald Forbes query
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyTue Mar 30, 2021 11:26 am by Julian Whybra

» Norris-Newman
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyMon Mar 29, 2021 10:17 am by ADMIN

» Forum questions or problems!
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptySun Mar 28, 2021 10:25 pm by ADMIN

» Pte Lewitt of the 58th Foot
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptySun Mar 28, 2021 12:09 am by 90th

» nTshingwayo ka Mahole
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyFri Mar 26, 2021 6:07 am by Frank Allewell

» George Astell Pardoe Lieutentant, 13th Light Infantry
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyWed Mar 24, 2021 12:13 am by 90th

» Press coverage of the Zulu King
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyMon Mar 22, 2021 9:33 am by Frank Allewell

» Mini Series : Shaka: King of the Zulu Nation
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptySat Mar 20, 2021 9:47 am by Frank Allewell

» Henry Felton 3/60th
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyFri Mar 19, 2021 1:28 pm by Will M

» Pvt John Llyod 1/24th
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyWed Mar 17, 2021 7:12 pm by gardner1879

» William De Passey, 17th Lancers.1879.
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyWed Mar 17, 2021 2:00 pm by 1879graves

» Natal Transport Service
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyTue Mar 16, 2021 10:07 pm by 90th

» The Passing of His Majesty King Goodwill Zwelithini
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptySat Mar 13, 2021 5:38 pm by Brett Hendey

» Prevost, William. Ensign. Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptySat Mar 13, 2021 11:15 am by John Young

» 9312 Sapper H Cuthbert 5th Field Coy RE
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyFri Mar 12, 2021 1:29 pm by ADMIN

» Zulu War to Boer war. Those who served in both.
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyWed Mar 10, 2021 3:02 pm by 1879graves

» Captain Gardner's Escort
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyTue Mar 09, 2021 10:50 pm by WeekendWarrior

» Out there from David Jackson
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyTue Mar 09, 2021 5:20 pm by Julian Whybra

» The source of the MacKinnon & Shadbolt map discovered.
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyTue Mar 09, 2021 2:28 am by WeekendWarrior

» Experiences During the Zulu War
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyTue Mar 09, 2021 12:25 am by Peter35

» Duck, Veterinary Colonel Francis, CB, AVD, PRCVS
Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyMon Mar 08, 2021 6:12 pm by 1879graves

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Battle Of ISANDLWANA1879/01/22 Camp Over Run
Top posters
90th
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
littlehand
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
ADMIN
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
1879graves
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
rusteze
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
John
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
Mr M. Cooper
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
Top posting users this month
Julian Whybra
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
gardner1879
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
90th
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
John Young
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
Kenny
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
Shaun Winkler
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
aussie inkosi
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
ADMIN
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
1879graves
Wolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_leftWolfe and the 20 men ? BarWolfe and the 20 men ? Bar_right 
Most active topics
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable. 4
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Adding to the Library
The ammunition question
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Keywords
taylor spalding carbineers Durnford james 24th horse henry Isandlwana payne Forbes smith harford Police Mounted drift martini Woolfryes Natal melvill john Russell zulu George Prince Franklin
 

 Wolfe and the 20 men ?

Go down 
AuthorMessage
Drummer Boy 14

Drummer Boy 14

Posts : 1998
Join date : 2011-08-01
Age : 24

Wolfe and the 20 men ? Empty
PostSubject: Wolfe and the 20 men ?   Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyMon Feb 06, 2012 8:53 pm

Does anyone know who or can post the finding of Colour-Sergant Wolfe's body on the firing line ?



Cheers
Back to top Go down
littlehand

littlehand

Posts : 7077
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 52
Location : Down South.

Wolfe and the 20 men ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: Wolfe and the 20 men ?   Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyMon Feb 06, 2012 10:22 pm

John Young replied to this question on another forum. And to be honest he does make a good suggestion.

"John Young
A question first, who is to say that Colour Sergeant Frederick Wolfe and his 20 men were forward of the firing line? H.G. Mainwaring's sketch map of November 1879, has the bodies roughly in the same area as Captain Anstey of the Royal Engineers has placed the firing line at 1pm, or so it would appear to my untrained eye.

It is just my suggestion, and I've made it before on the forum, as to why battle debris was discovered during the battlefield survey in advance of the position that previously considered to be the firing line - skirmishers! Who in 2003 can say with an authority that skirmishers were not deployed at Isandlwana? No-one I contend. It may well be that Wolfe was in command of a party of skirmishers, who knows? Just my suggestion.

John Young,
A.-Z.W.R.S."
Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

Frank Allewell

Posts : 7728
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 74
Location : Cape Town South Africa

Wolfe and the 20 men ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: Wolfe and the 20 men ?   Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyTue Feb 07, 2012 5:41 am

As allways John Young makes excellent debating points.
My argument against his theory would be:

There are no reports of skirmishers.
The only report of any group in front of the firing line was of Degaucher advancing to cover the dead ground.
If as JY is suggesting Wolf and his group were skirmishers would they have been killed as a group in that position?
Would they not have interfered with the firing lines of the companies behind.
Curling reported that the guns couldnt fire because of the advance of Degaucher.
At this time of year the grass was long and green, skirmishers would be at a disadvantage..
Again what we need to bare in mind is that when the companies withdrew from the rocky ridge area they not only conceeded ground to the Zulu, they also conceeded a huge tactical point. The zulu were now able to get closer to the firing line unseen. The companies were now to all intent firing uphill at the ridge. The dead ground played a huge part in the retreat. Therefore doesnt it make sence that these highly experienced officers would not want to conceed such an advantage, ergo leaving a stronge detachment behind to act as a rear guard... CS Wolfe.

Ansteys positioning of the firing line was allways debatable being based largely on one mans testimoney. Half of that firing line was invisible to the other half so no one individual had an over all view of the battle.

All Im afraid debatable untill one or two long lost diaries pop up from obscurity.

Good points though.


regards
Back to top Go down
tasker224

tasker224

Posts : 2102
Join date : 2010-07-30
Age : 54
Location : North London

Wolfe and the 20 men ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: Wolfe and the 20 men ?   Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyTue Feb 07, 2012 7:42 pm

Can't see how anyone would think that sending in 20 skirmishers against an advancing, fast moving, Zulu army would have been a useful tactic!
Back to top Go down
90th

90th

Posts : 10255
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 64
Location : Melbourne, Australia

Wolfe and the 20 men ? Empty
PostSubject: Wolfe and the 20 men .   Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptyTue Feb 07, 2012 9:21 pm

Hi Tasker .
Agreed , but it is 1879 !. The same military thinking and tactics which were applied in the previous Kaffir wars which as they found to their detriment !!!. Suspect The Zulu , a very differant beast indeed . Shocked Shocked .
cheers 90th. Salute
Back to top Go down
Drummer Boy 14

Drummer Boy 14

Posts : 1998
Join date : 2011-08-01
Age : 24

Wolfe and the 20 men ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: Wolfe and the 20 men ?   Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptySun Mar 18, 2012 8:34 pm

Is there any photo's of their cairns/graves or have they been lost ?


Cheers
Back to top Go down
90th

90th

Posts : 10255
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 64
Location : Melbourne, Australia

Wolfe and the 20 men ? Empty
PostSubject: Wolfe and the 20 men .   Wolfe and the 20 men ? EmptySun Mar 18, 2012 9:39 pm

Hi DB.
I'm not aware of the existance of any photo's regarding a Cairn or Grave for Wolfe and his men .
cheers 90th. Salute
Back to top Go down
 
Wolfe and the 20 men ?
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: