WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu quote: Colour Sergeant Bourne: A prayer’s as good as bayonet on a day like this.
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» Out there from David Jackson
supperstitions ? EmptyToday at 11:45 am by Julian Whybra

» General Buller's statue to be moved?
supperstitions ? EmptyToday at 9:29 am by Brett Hendey

» 2128 Pte. R. Johnston of the 88th Foot
supperstitions ? EmptyToday at 12:10 am by 90th

» Now May Men Weep: Isandlwana: A Story From The Zulu War. By Mark Hobson
supperstitions ? EmptyToday at 12:06 am by 90th

» Colour Sergeant keane General Staff Corps. Isandhlwana
supperstitions ? EmptyYesterday at 9:34 pm by ADMIN

» iSandlwana battlefield sword
supperstitions ? EmptyYesterday at 11:18 am by Brin

» 57th Regiment at the battle of Gingindlovu
supperstitions ? EmptyYesterday at 8:17 am by mick.huggett@ntlworld.com

» Sergeant John Lines
supperstitions ? EmptyWed Jan 13, 2021 11:09 pm by ADMIN

» 1823. Pte. J. CRICHTON 2-21st FOOT (North British Fusiliers) ROYAL SCOTS.
supperstitions ? EmptyWed Jan 13, 2021 10:08 pm by ADMIN

» Private 11/2236 Jabez Wixon, 2nd 4th (King's Own Royal) Regiment.
supperstitions ? EmptyTue Jan 12, 2021 11:13 am by ADMIN

» South Africa 1877-79 Zulu Medal , bar 1879 to 333 Pte E.Burns 57th Foot.
supperstitions ? EmptyTue Jan 12, 2021 10:39 am by ADMIN

» 2318. Pte. R.HARTSHORN. 2/4th FOOT REGIMENT. The Royal Lancaster Regiment
supperstitions ? EmptyTue Jan 12, 2021 10:30 am by ADMIN

» Private A.C. Nicholson, 1st Battalion, 13th Regiment of Foot - the Prince Albert’s Somerset Light Infantry
supperstitions ? EmptyTue Jan 12, 2021 10:16 am by ADMIN

» Howard English.
supperstitions ? EmptyTue Jan 12, 2021 9:48 am by ADMIN

» Zulu War Medal MHS Tamar
supperstitions ? EmptyThu Jan 07, 2021 10:21 pm by MATTY53

» T. Proctor, Ord., H.M.S. “Shah
supperstitions ? EmptyWed Jan 06, 2021 4:36 pm by Blacksmith

» Henry William Longcast, Interpreter.
supperstitions ? EmptyTue Jan 05, 2021 5:26 pm by John Young

» Info needed
supperstitions ? EmptyTue Jan 05, 2021 11:27 am by ymob

» Captain. Heneage
supperstitions ? EmptyFri Jan 01, 2021 10:59 am by 1879graves

» Lieutenant Chards anxiety-inducing-notes-Battle-Rorkes-Drift
supperstitions ? EmptyThu Dec 31, 2020 8:34 pm by SRB1965

» Information on Harry Boik Trooper 141 NATAL MOUNTED POLICE
supperstitions ? EmptyWed Dec 30, 2020 10:22 am by Julian Whybra

» Trooper H. Boik (NMP) and Dartnell patrol Isandlwana, 22 January 1879
supperstitions ? EmptyWed Dec 30, 2020 10:20 am by Julian Whybra

» Prince Imperial
supperstitions ? EmptySun Dec 27, 2020 10:13 pm by 90th

» Rourke's Drift defender?
supperstitions ? EmptyThu Dec 24, 2020 5:59 pm by Kenny

» Xmas greetings
supperstitions ? EmptyWed Dec 23, 2020 3:17 pm by SRB1965

» Captain Crutchley
supperstitions ? EmptyTue Dec 22, 2020 8:06 pm by 1879graves

» John Chard VC R.E. Sword at auction
supperstitions ? EmptyTue Dec 22, 2020 9:19 am by SRB1965

» Sergeant W. Shaw
supperstitions ? EmptySat Dec 19, 2020 10:49 am by gcooper

» Lt. Francis Pender Porteous
supperstitions ? EmptyThu Dec 17, 2020 12:53 pm by John Young

» List of identified bodies at Isandlwana
supperstitions ? EmptyWed Dec 16, 2020 5:31 am by Frank Allewell

» Jaheel Brenton Carey
supperstitions ? EmptyMon Dec 07, 2020 8:07 am by Frank Allewell

» Rorkes Drift Battle Relics
supperstitions ? EmptySat Nov 28, 2020 10:15 am by sstiles

» Best Zulu War Books
supperstitions ? EmptyWed Nov 25, 2020 12:00 am by 90th

» George Toplis
supperstitions ? EmptyTue Nov 24, 2020 4:46 pm by 1879graves

» 1st Battalion, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment, 1875
supperstitions ? EmptyFri Nov 20, 2020 2:17 am by 90th

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Zulu Diorama Brecon Museum
Top posters
90th
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
littlehand
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
ADMIN
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
1879graves
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
rusteze
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
John
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
Mr M. Cooper
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
Top posting users this month
Frank Allewell
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
ADMIN
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
John Young
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
90th
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
Petty Officer Tom
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
Blacksmith
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
1879graves
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
MATTY53
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
jaycee
supperstitions ? Bar_leftsupperstitions ? Barsupperstitions ? Bar_right 
Most active topics
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable. 4
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Adding to the Library
The ammunition question
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Keywords
Isandlwana Prince zulu payne Russell carbineers smith gardner Mounted Police George john horse Woolfryes Natal james Durnford Franklin drift harford henry taylor martini melvill 24th spalding

 

 supperstitions ?

Go down 
AuthorMessage
Guest
Guest



supperstitions ? Empty
PostSubject: supperstitions ?   supperstitions ? EmptyTue Feb 28, 2012 8:22 am

Hi all

As everyone knows, the Zulu did not attack Isandhlwana on 22 for reasons of supperstitions;

So why they attacked Pearson that day?

Salute

Pascal
Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

Frank Allewell

Posts : 7661
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 73
Location : Cape Town South Africa

supperstitions ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: supperstitions ?   supperstitions ? EmptyTue Feb 28, 2012 9:50 am

A question Ive posed often, the only answer Ive ever had that makes sense is that they were goaded into the attack, probably a close paralel to isandlwana and Raw.
Back to top Go down
90th

90th

Posts : 10174
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 64
Location : Melbourne, Australia

supperstitions ? Empty
PostSubject: Superstitions    supperstitions ? EmptyTue Feb 28, 2012 9:56 am

Hi Springbok .
You may be correct , and If I remember correctly it was the Auxiliaries with their white officers that stumbled upon the zulu
even though they were plainly seen massing on ' Wombane ' from memory . Happy to be corrected !.
cheers 90th. Salute
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



supperstitions ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: supperstitions ?   supperstitions ? EmptyTue Feb 28, 2012 11:06 am

Yes Springbok9 , maybe if they were NNC does not fall over, the Zulu left would spend the Pearson column to attack the next day ...

Salute

Pascal
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



supperstitions ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: supperstitions ?   supperstitions ? EmptyTue Feb 28, 2012 11:09 am

Yes Gary, it's like to Isandhlwana, it is whites who have searched La Castagne ...

Salute

Pascal
Back to top Go down
littlehand

littlehand

Posts : 7086
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 52
Location : Down South.

supperstitions ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: supperstitions ?   supperstitions ? EmptyTue Feb 28, 2012 10:10 pm

Thought it might be worth posting this. high lighted in Yellow.

The Zulu's were discovered advancing. Not sitting down and waiting.

"Enclosure A. THE ACTION AT INYEZANE.  COLONEL PEARSON'S OFFICIAL REPORT.
From Colonel Pearson, Commanding No. 1 Column to the Military Secretary to His Excellency the High Commissioner.  
 
Etshowe  Zululand, January 23, 1879.

"SIR,
    I HAVE the honour to report my arrival here at 10 A.M. this day, with the column under my command, and, I am happy to state, without a casualty of any kind—except, of course, those which occurred in the engagement of yesterday, of which I have already duly informed you by telegram, despatched yesterday evening.
   Yesterday morning, the mounted troops which preceded the column under Major Barrow, had crossed the Inyezane River—which is about four miles from our camping ground on the previous night—when I received a note from him to say that he had selected a fairly open space for a halting place, which he had carefully vedetted. I at once rode forward, to reconnoitre, and found the ground covered with more bush than seemed desirable for an outspan ; but as there was no water between the Inyezane and the places where we bivouacked last night—four miles further on, and with several steep hills to climb—I decided upon outspanning for a couple of hours, to feed and rest the oxen, and to enable the men to breakfast.
    It was then just eight o'clock, and I was in the act of giving directions about the pickets and scouts required for our protection, and the wagons had already begun to park, when the leading company of the Native Contingent, who were scouting in front—personally directed by Captain Hart, Staff Officer to the Officer commanding that Regiment — discovered the enemy advancing rapidly over the ridges in our front, and making for the clumps of bush around us.
    The Zulus at once opened a heavy fire upon the men of the company who had shown themselves in the open, and they lost one officer, four non-commissioned officers, and three men killed, almost immediately after the firing began
. Unfortunately, owing to scarcely any of the officers or non-commissioned officers of the Native Contingent being able to speak Kafir, and some not even English (there are several foreigners among them), it has been found most difficult to communicate orders, and it is to be feared that these men who lost their lives by gallantly holding their ground did so under the impression that it was the duty of the contingent to fight in the first line, instead of scouting only, and, after an engagement, to pursue.
   I must add, however, that every exertion has been made by Major Graves, Commandant Nettleton, and Captain Hart, to explain to both the officers and men the duties expected of them. These officers, indeed, have been indefatigable in their exertions.
   As soon as the firing commenced, I directed the Naval Brigade, under Commander Campbell, Lieutenant Lloyd's division of guns, and Captain Jackson's and Lieutenant Martin's companies of the Buffs, to take up a position on a knoll close by the road (and under which they were halted), and from whence the whole of the Zulu advances could be seen and dealt with.
   Meanwhile, the wagons continued to park, and as soon as the length of the column had thereby sufficiently decreased, I directed the two companies of the Buffs, which were guarding the wagons about half way down the column, to clear the enemy out of the bush, which had been already shelled, and fired into with rockets and musketry, by the troops on the knoll above-mentioned. These companies, led by Captains Harrison and Wyld, and guided by Captain Macgregor, D.A.Q.M.G., whom I sent back for this purpose, moved out in excellent order, and quickly getting into skirmishing order, brought their right shoulders gradually forward, and drove the Zulus before them back into the open, which again exposed them to the rockets, shells, and musketry from the knoll.
   This movement released the main body of the Mounted Infantry and Volunteers, who, with the Company of Royal Engineers, had remained near the Inyezane, to protect that portion of the convoy of wagons. -The Royal Engineers happened to be working at the drift when the engagement began.
   When thus released, both the Engineers and Mounted Troops, under Captain Wynne and Major Barrow, respectively moved forward with the infantry. Skirmishers on the left of the latter, the whole being supported by a half-company of the Buffs and a half-company of the 99th Regiment, sent out by Lieutenant-Colonel Welman, 99th Regiment, who with the rear of the column, was now coming up.
    About this time the enemy was observed by Commander Campbell lo be trying to outflank our left, and he offered to go with a portion of the Naval Brigade to drive away a body of Zulus who had got possession of a kraal about 400 yards from the knoll, and which was helping their turning movement. The Naval Brigade was supported by a party of the officers and non-commissioned officers of the Native Contingent, under Captain Hart, who were posted on high ground on the left of the Etshowe Road, and who checked the Zulus from making any further attempt on our left.
   Shortly afterwards, when the kraal was evacuated, Commander Campbell suggested that the enemy should be driven off still further, to which I at once assented, and I desired Colonel Parnell to take Captain Forster's company, the Buffs, which up to this time had remained at the foot of the knoll, and assist the Naval Brigade to attack some heights beyond the kraal, upon which a considerable body of Zulus were still posted.
   The action was completely successful, and the Zulus now fled in all directions, both from our front and left, and before the skirmishers on the right.
    I now ordered the column to be reformed, and at noon we resumed our march, and bivouacked for the night on the ground described in the first part of my letter.
   The last shot I fired was about half-past 9 A.M. I enclose a list of the killed and wounded, and, in addition, I beg to state that both Colonel Parnell and myself had our horses shot under us.
The loss of the enemy I can, of course, only approximately give. By all accounts, however — and I have taken every pains to verify and confirm the statements made—upwards of 300 Zulus were killed. The wounded, if there were any, were either carried off or hid in the bush, as only two were found. The dead were lying about in heaps of seven and eight, and in one place ten dead bodies were found close together. At another 35 were counted within a very small space.
    As far as I can ascertain, the numbers opposed to us were about 4,000, composed of the Umxapu, Umdhlanefu, and the Ingulubi Regiments, and some 650 men of the district.
    I had already been warned, through Mr. Fynney, Border Agent, and other sources, that I might expect to be attacked at any moment after crossing the Umsindusi River, but the number of Zulus stated to be in the neighbourhood was estimated at about 8,000.
    All the commanding officers speak highly of the behaviour of their men during the engagement, and of the coolness of the officers and the pains taken by them to control the expenditure of ammunition.
   This I can personally vouch for as regards troops on the knoll, as I was present with them the whole time. The practice made by Lieutenant Loyd's guns, and by the rockets of the Naval Brigade, directed by Mr. Cotter, boatswain of H.M.S. "Active," was  excellent, and no doubt contributed materially to the success of the day.
   Major Barrow particularly wishes me to mention the steadiness and good conduct under fire of the Natal Mounted Volunteer Corps. Those engaged were the Victoria and Stanger Mounted Rifles and the Natal Hussars.
    Of the commanding officers themselves I have already, spoken.
    From the officers of 017 staff, Colonel Walker J.B., Captain MacGregor, and Lieutenant knight, the Buffs,—my orderly officer—I have received every assistance, not only during yesterday's engagement, but ever since they joined me.
   I cannot speak too highly of the energy and attention to their duties of Staff-Surgeon Norbury, R.N., my Senior Medical Officer, and his assistants. The field hospital was established in a convenient place, almost immediately after the firing began, and the wounded received every attention.
  Lastly, I wish to report the good example shown to the Native Pioneers by Captain Beddoes and Lieutenant Porrington, who, throughout our march, under the direction of Lieutenant Main, R.E., repaired our road in front, and during the engagement remained on the knoll, fighting rifle in hand.
   I must apologise for the great length of this letter ; but as the present is the first campaign of British troops against the Zulus, and as the Natal natives were being tested as soldiers for the first time, I have purposely gone into details. Should we again be engaged with the enemy there will, of course, be no further necessity for describing everything so minutely.
  To-morrow morning I propose sending two companies of the Buffs, two companies of the Native Contingent, and a small number of mounted men, to reinforce Lieutenant-Colonel Ely, 99th Regiment, who, with three companies of his regiment, left behind for the purpose, is now on his way to Etshowe, with a convoy of 60 commissariat wagons.
   I have written to request Colonel Ely not to advance beyond the Umsindusi till reinforced.
  On Saturday, Major Coates starts for the Tugela with 50 empty wagons, escorted by four companies infantry, two native companies, and a few troopers to bring up more stores.
  I enclose a couple of sketches of the ground on which the engagement took place, made by Captain McGregor and Lieutenant Knight, from memory."
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



supperstitions ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: supperstitions ?   supperstitions ? EmptyWed Feb 29, 2012 7:38 am

Hi all

Very good, but it's not because they were moving they intended to attack ...

Salute

Pascal
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




supperstitions ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: supperstitions ?   supperstitions ? Empty

Back to top Go down
 
supperstitions ?
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: