WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu: (Michael Caine) If 1200 men couldn't hold a defensive position this morning, what chance have we with 100?
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» Officers at Ulundi
24th Tunic? EmptyToday at 2:14 am by 90th

» Possible Zulu war medal holder and family.
24th Tunic? EmptyTue May 04, 2021 5:12 pm by gardner1879

» Orderly Room Sergeant role
24th Tunic? EmptySun May 02, 2021 7:17 pm by jancodk

» Melvill's Revolver Cylinder
24th Tunic? EmptySat May 01, 2021 6:58 pm by Julian Whybra

» Colour - Sergeant George William Mabin
24th Tunic? EmptySat May 01, 2021 6:15 pm by Visitor

» The Passing of Her Majesty Queen Mantfombi Dlamini Zulu.
24th Tunic? EmptyFri Apr 30, 2021 9:37 am by ADMIN

» Ian Knight Questions and answers
24th Tunic? EmptyThu Apr 29, 2021 11:51 pm by aussie inkosi

» Sir Henry Bartle Frere letter to Sir Henry Ponsonby
24th Tunic? EmptyThu Apr 29, 2021 6:39 pm by gardner1879

» Boy 1st Class Thomas Harris
24th Tunic? EmptySun Apr 25, 2021 6:19 pm by RickB

» Gabangaye - was he ubidied?
24th Tunic? EmptyFri Apr 23, 2021 2:43 pm by Julian Whybra

» List of identified bodies at Isandlwana
24th Tunic? EmptyThu Apr 22, 2021 8:26 pm by Frank Allewell

» 1595 Pte. E. Jones 2/24th
24th Tunic? EmptyThu Apr 22, 2021 10:40 am by RickB

» New British Muzleloaders videos on Isandlwana
24th Tunic? EmptyWed Apr 21, 2021 3:33 pm by Frank Allewell

» Library destroyed
24th Tunic? EmptyTue Apr 20, 2021 5:42 am by barry

» Zulu War Medal
24th Tunic? EmptySat Apr 17, 2021 4:38 pm by Bill8183

» sergeant G J Brown
24th Tunic? EmptySat Apr 17, 2021 12:10 pm by 90th

» Captain HUGH O'DONNELL.
24th Tunic? EmptyFri Apr 16, 2021 7:32 pm by WeekendWarrior

» Great Grandfather James (Jimmy) Robinson DCM
24th Tunic? EmptyFri Apr 16, 2021 3:54 pm by Kenny

» In Affectionate Remembrance of P.C. Stephens
24th Tunic? EmptyFri Apr 16, 2021 1:36 pm by gardner1879

» Trpr. Simpson's medal
24th Tunic? EmptyThu Apr 08, 2021 5:13 pm by Julian Whybra

» Someone maybe able to help. 2235 Pte A F Edmonds J7th DCOLrg
24th Tunic? EmptyThu Apr 08, 2021 3:30 am by 90th

» Medal ribbon on Patrol Jacket
24th Tunic? EmptySun Apr 04, 2021 9:47 pm by John Young

» One of the lesser-known stories. It took place around the same time as Isandlwana.
24th Tunic? EmptySun Apr 04, 2021 9:54 am by Julian Whybra

» Isandlwana Survivor photo's
24th Tunic? EmptySat Apr 03, 2021 7:06 pm by ADMIN

» <Pte. W. Dunne 2nd Btn 3rd (East Kent) Regiment ('The Buffs') & Sgt. O. Hydenburg (Aydenburg) Natal Native Contingent,)
24th Tunic? EmptyFri Apr 02, 2021 1:33 pm by gardner1879

» William Papworth. Alan Gardner's servant.
24th Tunic? EmptyThu Apr 01, 2021 10:28 pm by gardner1879

» Smith-Dorrien 1881
24th Tunic? EmptyThu Apr 01, 2021 5:45 pm by John Young

» Archibald Forbes query
24th Tunic? EmptyTue Mar 30, 2021 11:26 am by Julian Whybra

» Norris-Newman
24th Tunic? EmptyMon Mar 29, 2021 10:17 am by ADMIN

» Forum questions or problems!
24th Tunic? EmptySun Mar 28, 2021 10:25 pm by ADMIN

» Pte Lewitt of the 58th Foot
24th Tunic? EmptySun Mar 28, 2021 12:09 am by 90th

» nTshingwayo ka Mahole
24th Tunic? EmptyFri Mar 26, 2021 6:07 am by Frank Allewell

» George Astell Pardoe Lieutentant, 13th Light Infantry
24th Tunic? EmptyWed Mar 24, 2021 12:13 am by 90th

» Press coverage of the Zulu King
24th Tunic? EmptyMon Mar 22, 2021 9:33 am by Frank Allewell

» Mini Series : Shaka: King of the Zulu Nation
24th Tunic? EmptySat Mar 20, 2021 9:47 am by Frank Allewell

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Rorke's Drift to the British Museum: Story of Henry Hook
Top posters
90th
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
littlehand
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
ADMIN
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
1879graves
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
rusteze
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
John
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
Mr M. Cooper
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
Top posting users this month
gardner1879
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
John Young
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
90th
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
Visitor
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
jancodk
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
ADMIN
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
Peter35
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
1879graves
24th Tunic? Bar_left24th Tunic? Bar24th Tunic? Bar_right 
Most active topics
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Durnford was he capable.1
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Durnford was he capable.5
Durnford was he capable. 4
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Adding to the Library
The ammunition question
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Keywords
Prince Russell Franklin Forbes Natal 24th Isandlwana henry harford horse George drift melvill carbineers Police james Durnford Woolfryes Mounted smith taylor martini payne zulu spalding john
 

 24th Tunic?

Go down 
AuthorMessage
tormar9496

tormar9496

Posts : 9
Join date : 2011-10-17

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: 24th Tunic?   24th Tunic? EmptyFri Mar 09, 2012 3:32 pm

Everyone,

I just picked this tunic up recently and it has a name tag in the collar, which reads " Lt. Fowler 24th ". I was inquiring about his name, but apparently he doesn't appear on the rosters. Any chance that this is a real tunic? Also, did other British Regiments wear the green facing on the collar and cuff areas? If so, what regiment would it be? The tunic's interior shows heavy signs of wear in the collar and armpit areas. I have attached some photos for your viewing. Any help would be appreciated. regards, Grant [left]
Back to top Go down
ADMIN

ADMIN

Posts : 4178
Join date : 2008-11-01
Age : 62
Location : KENT

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: Re: 24th Tunic?   24th Tunic? EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 11:11 am

Posted on behalf of forum member. Tormar9496'


[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Photos by Tormar9496.






Back to top Go down
https://www.1879zuluwar.com
90th

90th

Posts : 10267
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 64
Location : Melbourne, Australia

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: British / Colonial Uniforms , Weapons ; 24th Tunic    24th Tunic? EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 11:38 am

The 1st and 2nd / 24th were the only regiments to have that collar Badge . On further investigation although I'm not an expert on Collar Badges it doesnt look right to me !
cheers 90th. Salute


Last edited by 90th on Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:57 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top Go down
John

John

Posts : 2558
Join date : 2009-04-06
Age : 58
Location : UK

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: Re: 24th Tunic?   24th Tunic? EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 11:43 am

tormar9496. Thanks for the photos. Salute
Back to top Go down
1879graves

1879graves

Posts : 3170
Join date : 2009-03-03
Location : Devon

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: Re: 24th Tunic?   24th Tunic? EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 11:58 am

Hi Grant

Many thanks for the photographs. From the uniform, it is not Zulu War but a lot later.

Your mans name was Hugh Griffith Coke Fowler
Salute


Last edited by 1879graves on Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:03 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top Go down
http://zuluwar1879.tribalpages.com
1879graves

1879graves

Posts : 3170
Join date : 2009-03-03
Location : Devon

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: Re: 24th Tunic?   24th Tunic? EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 12:03 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Back to top Go down
http://zuluwar1879.tribalpages.com
90th

90th

Posts : 10267
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 64
Location : Melbourne, Australia

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: British / Colonial Uniforms , Weapons ; 24th Tunic    24th Tunic? EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 12:10 pm

Happy to be corrected but the collar badge on the tunic certainly looks like the middle part of the glengarry badge that sits above the numerals 24 , I found two other collar badges and they arent the same as the one on this tunic . Suspect
One was in Christopher Wilkinson - Latham's book , the other in Isandlwana by Laband & Mathews .
Back to top Go down
Mr M. Cooper

Mr M. Cooper

Posts : 2522
Join date : 2011-09-29
Location : Lancashire, England.

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: 24th Tunic   24th Tunic? EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 12:12 pm

This does look like a 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment tunic. However, look at the button on the rank epaulette, it would appear that it shows a 'Buffs' (Royal East Kent) regimental button, but this may be a replacement for one that was lost. The label says Lt, however, the pips are for a captain (maybe promoted after issue and another pip added). Searching some time back, I found that the facing colour is said to be grass green, maybe the colours have altered with age. It does look genuine, but I wonder if it could have been made for a prop or a re-enactor some time back. 90th is right, the collar dog is indeed for the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment of foot, a female Sphinx on a tablet inscribed with EGYPT. Well worth keeping hold of and doing some further research.
Back to top Go down
Mr M. Cooper

Mr M. Cooper

Posts : 2522
Join date : 2011-09-29
Location : Lancashire, England.

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: 24th Tunic   24th Tunic? EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 12:30 pm

Nice one 1879graves.

The swb did keep the old 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiments sphinx, so the button on the epaulette must be a swb button rather than a 'Buffs' one (they are very similar). Whoever wrote '24th' on the label shouldn't have done though, the regimental numbers had been discontinued in July 1881, meaning that the last infantry regiment to be officially numbered the 24th was the 2nd Warwickshire regiment, the label should have said swb and not 24th, as the swb was never numbered.
Back to top Go down
1879graves

1879graves

Posts : 3170
Join date : 2009-03-03
Location : Devon

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: Re: 24th Tunic?   24th Tunic? EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 12:45 pm

Hi Mr M. Cooper

I agree with your comments
Quote :
the regimental numbers had been discontinued in July 1881

But this is just an explanation to the possible reason why they wrote the number 24 on the tunic.
As you can see from the following taken from the 1904 Army list.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

It was still known as the 24th Regimental District.
Back to top Go down
http://zuluwar1879.tribalpages.com
Mr M. Cooper

Mr M. Cooper

Posts : 2522
Join date : 2011-09-29
Location : Lancashire, England.

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: 24th Tunic   24th Tunic? EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 1:15 pm

Hi 1879graves

Yes, I can well imagine that the old numbers would carry on for quite a while and still be used unofficially, and this may be the case with the tunic, but the swb were never the 24th, as they were never officially a numbered regiment, they were just simply the swb. The last infantry regiment to officially be numbered the 24th foot/regiment, was the 2nd Warwickshire regiment.
Back to top Go down
tasker224

tasker224

Posts : 2102
Join date : 2010-07-30
Age : 54
Location : North London

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: Re: 24th Tunic?   24th Tunic? EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 1:30 pm

Good work Graves!
I would agree that the tunic is probably genuine issue, it looks like the real thing and is too good quality to have been manufactured as a costume piece. But over the years, it has almost certainly been altered and tinkered with, for use as a stage prop or some such use.
Or, been very, very, badly restored by a collector who didn't know what they were doing.
Back to top Go down
littlehand

littlehand

Posts : 7077
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 52
Location : Down South.

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: Re: 24th Tunic?   24th Tunic? EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 8:00 pm

Lucy Powys, eldest dau. of Joseph Richard Cobb, Esq.,F.S.A., of Caldicot Castle, Monmouthshire, who d. 1897, by Emily Catherine Powys, who d. 1900, youngest daughter of the late John Parry de Winton, Esq., of Maesderwen, Breconshire; ni. 1884 Henry Oxenford Aveline Mayberry, Esq., of Glanddwr, Major ret., late 1st Vol.Batt. S. Wales Borderers, V.D., who d. 1906, leaving a son, Richard Aveline, M.C. (with Bar), Lieut. 21st Lancers and temp. Capt. R. Flying Corps ; b. 1895, and killed in action 1917 and a daughter, Muriel Powya Avelin, to. 1912 Major Hugh Griffith Coke Fowler, D.S.O., S. Wales Borderers, and has, with other issue, 
Back to top Go down
tasker224

tasker224

Posts : 2102
Join date : 2010-07-30
Age : 54
Location : North London

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: Re: 24th Tunic?   24th Tunic? EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 8:13 pm

LH, where do you find this stuff? excellent work.
Back to top Go down
tormar9496

tormar9496

Posts : 9
Join date : 2011-10-17

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: Re: 24th Tunic?   24th Tunic? EmptySun Mar 11, 2012 2:39 am

Everyone,

Thank you for all of the help and valuable information about Capt. Fowler. Can someone explain why you think that it is a costume piece? The gentleman that I acquired the tunic from had it in his possession for many years and assured me that it is exactly how he obtained it. I do agree that the additional two pips on each shoulder board was added at some point as, then, Lt. Fowler received promotions. I have seen this done on other American and German uniforms from WWI and WWII, so I do not have any problems with it, but if there is some other signs on the tunic which is not correct, then please point them out.

I have other items which I would also like to show for your viewing. I will send the pics to the admin for uploading. Once again, I appreciate everyone's help, opinion, and information. Regards, Grant
Back to top Go down
tasker224

tasker224

Posts : 2102
Join date : 2010-07-30
Age : 54
Location : North London

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: Re: 24th Tunic?   24th Tunic? EmptySun Mar 11, 2012 1:13 pm

The addition of extra incorrect badges, medal ribbons etc in order to embellish a uniform could be a sign that during its lifetime it has had to endure a little but of Gilbert and sullivan at some stage.
Back to top Go down
tormar9496

tormar9496

Posts : 9
Join date : 2011-10-17

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: Re: 24th Tunic?   24th Tunic? EmptyThu Mar 15, 2012 12:30 am

Everyone,

Peter, the Admin, placed my additional pictures in the members collections section. Please take a look and let me know if you see any red flags. I especially would like to know about everyone's thoughts on the 1877 pattern Officers pith helmet. Regards, Grant
Back to top Go down
ADMIN

ADMIN

Posts : 4178
Join date : 2008-11-01
Age : 62
Location : KENT

24th Tunic? Empty
PostSubject: Re: 24th Tunic?   24th Tunic? EmptyThu Mar 15, 2012 10:08 am

Back to top Go down
https://www.1879zuluwar.com
 
24th Tunic?
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: BRITISH / COLONIAL UNIFORMS. WEAPONS.-
Jump to: