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PostSubject: Temporary camps.   Temporary camps. EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 6:17 am

Hi all

You know what day and what time, Pulleine should abandon the camp of Isandhlwana.

He had received an writting order or instructions from LC or only oral instructions ?

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PostSubject: Re: Temporary camps.   Temporary camps. EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 10:54 am

Pascal. I'm not sure, but I don't think Chelmsford was involved in this order. As far as I'm aware this is the only reference made to "Pulliene" leaving the camp to join up with Chelmsfords column.

Proceedings of a Court of Enquiry, assembled at Helpmakaar, Natal, on the 27th January, 1879, by order of His Excellency the Lieutenant-General Commanding the troops in South, Africa, dated 24th January, 1879.
President:
Colonel F. C. Hassard, C.B., Royal Engineers.
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Lieutenant-Colonel Law, Royal Artillery.
Lieutenant-Colonel Harness, Royal Artillery.

The Court having assembled pursuant to order, proceeded to take the following evidence:—

   1st Witness.— Major Clery states: I am Senior Staff Officer to the 3rd Column, commanded by Colonel Glyn, C.B., operating against the Zulus. The General commanding accompanied this Column from the time it crossed the border into Zululand.
   On the 20th January, 1879, at the Camp, Isandlwana, Zululand, the Lieutenant-General commanding gave orders to Commandant Lonsdale and Major Dartnell to go out the following morning in a certain direction from the camp with their men, i.e., the Native Contingent, and the Police, and Volunteers, part of the 3rd Column. On the evening of the following day (the 21st) a message arrived from Major Dartnell that the enemy was in considerable force in his neighbourhood, and that he and Commandant Lonsdale would bivouac out that night. About 1.30 A.M., on the 22nd, a messenger brought me a note from Major Dartnell, to say that the enemy was in greater numbers than when he last reported, and that he did not think it prudent to attack them unless reinforced by two or three companies of the 24th Regiment. I took this note to Colonel Glyn, C.B., at once, he ordered me to take it on to the General. The General ordered the 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment, the Mounted Infantry, and four guns, to be under arms at once to march. This force marched out from camp as soon as there was light enough to see the road. The Natal Pioneers accompanied this column to clear the road. The General first ordered me to write to Colonel Durnford, at Rorke's Drift, to bring his force to strengthen the camp, but almost immediately afterwards he told Colonel Crealock that he (Colonel Crealock) was to write to Colonel Durnford these instructions, and not I. Before leaving the camp, I sent written instructions to Colonel Pulleine, 24th Regiment, to the following effect:—" You will be in command of the camp during the absence of Colonel Glyn; draw in (I speak- from memory) your camp, or your line of defence"—I am not certain which-"while the force is out: also draw in the line of your infantry outposts accordingly; but keep your cavalry vedettes still far advanced." I told him to have a wagon ready loaded with ammunition ready to follow the force going out at a moment's notice, if required. I went to Colonel Pulleine's tent just before leaving camp to ascertain that he had got these instructions, and I again repeated them verbally to him. To the best of my memory, I mentioned in the written instructions to Colonel Pulleine that Colonel Durnford had been written to to bring up his force to strengthen the camp. I saw the column out of camp and accompanied it.
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PostSubject: Re: Temporary camps.   Temporary camps. EmptySat Mar 10, 2012 2:18 pm

Hello and thank you Little hand

" I told him to have a wagon ready loaded with ammunition ready to follow the force going out at a moment's notice, if required."

So if I understand it, Pulleine was to leave the camp, with all his troops with wagon ready loaded with ammunition , only when he would receive a message from Chelmsford ...

So there is no further advanced, we only know that Chelmsford had no intention of returning to Isandhlwana, after a possible battle(delivered the 22 ? the 23? or after Ect ...) he would have delivered and won with the help of Darnell...

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PostSubject: Re: Temporary camps.   Temporary camps. EmptySun Mar 11, 2012 7:15 am

Hi all

Well, with all that has been writting on the Zulu wars and everything you read some, it's all we know ?

Chelmsford has necessarily indicated an hour and a meeting point to Pulleine ...

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