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PostSubject: ONE MOMENT   ONE MOMENT EmptyMon Dec 17, 2012 11:29 pm

If it was possible to see a photograph, drawing or painting of any one single moment during the whole of the Zulu War what would you pick?
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PostSubject: Re: ONE MOMENT   ONE MOMENT EmptyMon Dec 17, 2012 11:52 pm

Fantasic question... For me " Younghusbands final battle"
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PostSubject: ONE MOMENT   ONE MOMENT EmptyTue Dec 18, 2012 12:02 am

Thanks for the reply Although I have been interested in the Zulu War for many years now I'm a bit rusty on some of the details. Wasn't Younghusband one of the officers killed in a last stand at Isandlwana?
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PostSubject: Re: ONE MOMENT   ONE MOMENT EmptyTue Dec 18, 2012 12:21 am

Hi Paul.. Yes, he's the chap who charged down the slope, when their ammuntion ran out.

Littlehand who reply above does not believe, there were any last stands at Isandlwana. Rolling Eyes

For me it would be the battle of Isandlwana, during the eclipse!!!
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PostSubject: Younghusbands final battle   ONE MOMENT EmptyTue Dec 18, 2012 12:23 pm

Is there a print of this?

Nothing appearing when googled images

Certainly for me - hence my username - the site of Younghusband's cairn on the hillside, looking down and imagining what the soldiers could see in front of them on the plain below, is one of the most evocative places I have ever been to.
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PostSubject: ONE MOMENT   ONE MOMENT EmptyTue Dec 18, 2012 2:21 pm

I agree this moment in the battle would be great to try and reproduce in a painting as I have read about Younghusbands charge down the side of the hill at Isandlwana with his sword above his head and the last of his men At the moment I am painting another famous moment during the same battle when the artillery guns have passed through the camp. I cannot decide what colour to paint the grass and sky but I definately want to include the eclispe of the sun if I can. Does any member have any photos looking up at where Younghusband made his last stand because I would like to make this my next project. My favourite moment I would love to see a real photo of would be the moment Buller and his men had to get down from the side of the mountain at Hlobane. I remember hearing a great description of this battle at the home of Adrian Greaves and I have never forgotten the image I conjured up in my mind that day.
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PostSubject: One Moment   ONE MOMENT EmptyTue Dec 18, 2012 2:28 pm

There is a drawing on the forum somewhere of Yonghusband's last charge down the hill, try the search box to see if you can find it. If I recall, it was done by one of the members, and it is very good.
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PostSubject: One Moment   ONE MOMENT EmptyTue Dec 18, 2012 2:35 pm

Found it, it was drawn by mons14.

It can be found in the general discussion area, under Younghusband's charge at iSandlwana NEW print.
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Salute
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superb, the zulus in the distance swarming round from the rear of the hill are crucial for me, if there was a chance that they could have joined the retreat of the fugitives (I am unsure of timings during this stage of the battle, I assume that they would have seen many try to escape and from their high starting position would have seen several 'last stands' along the fugitives trail) they would have tried to escape in the direction of fugitives trail or in the direction of Durnfords last stand. In this drawing they are charging down hill, towards another last stand where the camp was sited perhaps?

An unrelated question - was there any evidence that any soldiers tried to climb to the summit of Isandlwana? Although not easy, if I was trying to save my life......... perhaps hoping that the Zulus would not bother to search there? With the speed of final attack there may not have been time to even make the attempt.
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PostSubject: One Moment   ONE MOMENT EmptyTue Dec 18, 2012 4:46 pm

'The last of the 24th', is a painting of the cave where a soldier from the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment made his last stand, he is supposed to have been one of the men from Younghusband's company. He is supposed to have shot and bayoneted many zulus before finally being shot by a number of zulus firing a volley into the cave.
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Hi younghusband,

The annals have it recorded that there was a last stand in a cave near the top, as Martins previous post describes.
However, it is also fact the isandlwana Hill and all the other high features around and about had pickets placed on them on the 21/01. From these high positions reports on enemy movements were sent back to the IO in the camp. So, the hill was summitted by British troops.

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PostSubject: Younghusband   ONE MOMENT EmptyTue Dec 18, 2012 5:35 pm

The cave is not situated near the top though, in fact the cave is almost level with the site of younghusbands stone cairn and there is a significant climb from there to the summit.

If, and you must be right, pickets were posted on the summit I wonder if any decided to find a hidden spot amongst the stones and rubble rather than return to their unit. Perhaps the pickets were recalled during the initial stages of the fight and seeing no reason to worry simply did so to be later consumed in the fighting.

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Isn't the image LH posted on the forum somewhere? Was it not drawn by one of this forum's members?
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PostSubject: Re: ONE MOMENT   ONE MOMENT EmptyTue Dec 18, 2012 6:06 pm

Hi Younghusband,
All hilltop pickets were recalled at nightfall.
The pickets placed around the camp were also pulled back once the sun set .

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PostSubject: Re: ONE MOMENT   ONE MOMENT EmptyTue Dec 18, 2012 6:12 pm

Hi Younghusband

If you read Ian Knights book Zulu Rising, i'm sure the chapter "kill me in the shados " has something on a group
of men who tried to climb to the top.




Cheers
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PostSubject: Re: ONE MOMENT   ONE MOMENT EmptyTue Dec 18, 2012 6:23 pm

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Found it, it was drawn by mons14.
It can be found in the general discussion area, under Younghusband's charge at iSandlwana NEW print
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Isn't the image LH posted on the forum somewhere? Was it not drawn by one of this forum's members?

Tasker seriously you need to start reading the post, like you tell everyone else to do. See Martins post above, the clues there.
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Thought so, thanks for the pointer John, could use a bit of help at times!
Could do without your sarcasm though, thanks.
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Could do without your sarcasm though, thanks.
Pot Black comes to mind!!
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Chard1879 wrote:
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Could do without your sarcasm though, thanks.
Pot Black comes to mind!!

Please do not use racist terms Chard. Shocked
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