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PostSubject: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyFri Jan 04, 2013 1:49 pm

Hi all

Officers of the 80th Regiment appear to have worn shoulder straps replaced by leather pads.

What is that thing ?

Help me please !

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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyWed Jan 09, 2013 11:05 am

It must begin by knowing that IK designated as leather pads scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyWed Jan 09, 2013 11:18 am

scratch scratch scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyWed Jan 09, 2013 1:14 pm

can you post an image of the pad you mention.
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyWed Jan 09, 2013 1:27 pm

No pictures alas ,it's in the text of the Osprey elite n°32... Sad
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PostSubject: Officers Of The 80th Regt     Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyThu Jan 10, 2013 10:16 am

Hi Rascal .
I checked Robert Hope's book which is about the 80th Regt in the zulu and Sekukuni campaigns and I didnt find
any mention of these Leather Pads you mention . I also have a photograph featuring a group of 80th Regt Officers
but they dont appear to have Leather Pads , the photo was taken at Fort Tenedos from memory . If you can as sas1
suggests post a photo or the actual statement that would be helpful .
Cheers Marsupial Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyThu Jan 10, 2013 11:00 am

Hello Skippy, also called the large pocket Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Yes my poor marsupial ,for the shoulder straps of the 80 th Regiment replaced by leather pads, this is not a case won ...

It is discussed that page 15 of the Elite 32 ... Wink

Unable to find photos or illustrations ... Sad

Otherwise I just Perceive that all Officers and OR's frock worn by Hundreds of figures are wrong ... Mad Mad Mad

That there is only one back vent of the skirt so it would two ... Sad Sad Sad

I'll end with me fiddle with those pesky Mad Mad Mad

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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyMon Apr 15, 2013 5:54 pm

A shoulder strap is the strap that runs from the tip of the shoulder to the neck and is held in place with a button. There are two of them. Anything hanging from the shoulder (e.g. a revolver) could thus be kept in place and would not fall off when riding. These were replaced by leather pads to stop chafing against the skin of the shoulder.But I have not pictures of leather pads Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyMon Apr 15, 2013 6:25 pm

90th,

The only campaign photograph of the 80th that springs to mind is a group shot, taken outside of some tents.

There's an officer wearing a peaked forage cap and patrol jacket, who is seated and appears to be examining a spear. As far as I can recall there's an officer in a strange bush hat standing on the right leaning on a staff.

I just can't find where the photograph has been used.

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PostSubject: Officers of the 80th Regt     Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyTue Apr 16, 2013 12:27 am

Hi Jimu
You are correct , the photo I have is of a group of 80th Officers sitting in front of a tent or tents , one from memory is holding a knobkerrie I think it was . I've seen it in a book before , but I'm not home till tomorrow so cant check . It may have been in Ian Knight's large ' Silver ' Zulu War Book ?. I'm positive I've seen it in one of my books . From memory there is also a variety of headwear and I think uniforms ? .
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyTue Apr 16, 2013 6:50 am

Hi Jim and Marsupial

To know more: curator@staffordshireregimentmuseum.com

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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyWed Apr 24, 2013 6:41 am

With all the books that some posseded, nobody has yet found pictures?
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyWed Apr 24, 2013 7:52 am

Pascal,

Instead of harping on about it, why don't you ask the man who made the statement to justify what he has written? When you have your reply from him post it on the forum, so that we may all be educated!

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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyWed Apr 24, 2013 10:54 am

Oh Jim , calmos !

It is very busy and my saying it will send me his answer early May, but it has no pictures, ca it would be ideal.

With hundreds of books owned, supposedly - some on this war, there is no one who found a picture :p;:

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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptySat Nov 16, 2013 2:28 pm

Help required !
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptySat Nov 16, 2013 3:26 pm

Some images here. If you can't find what your looking for, you can contact them.

http://staffs80.weebly.com/ors-and-ncos-kit.html


There some information here as well.

http://www.schoolhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=4569
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptySat Nov 16, 2013 4:27 pm

Thank you, it's interesting but where they speak of the shoulder straps replaced by leather pads like in the Osprey elite n°32 by IK page 15:

" Officers of the 80 th Regiment appear to have worn unpiped frocks ,with the shoulder straps replaced by leather pads".
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptySat Nov 16, 2013 5:12 pm

Contact those on the link posted by ulundi. Pose the question to them. I'm sure they would know!
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptySat Nov 16, 2013 5:16 pm

Pascal,

Is there a photograph in Brave Men's Blood which is in the author's collection Page 170 (bottom) that seems to show this.

I suggest you contact Ian Knight to ask him.

John Y.


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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptySat Nov 16, 2013 7:53 pm

On their website the reenactors of the soldiers of the 80 th, were wearing the old style 1872 pattern frock with single -loop cuff design like the 99 th at the battle of Nyezane or part of the 1/13 th at Kambula (after Monsieur JY) ???
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptySat Nov 16, 2013 8:46 pm

Where's Jim these days seeing his name above reminded me we haven't seen him for a while. Anyone heard from him.
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Good point. Haven't heard from him.
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looked at BMB, 170, 80th chopping wood,
not enough definition. sorry, but a very
interesting point, it seems unusual, why the
leather pad's.official issue or make do and
mend. sorry Loic, maybe mr Knight, xhosa
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptySun Nov 17, 2013 7:42 am

My dear Lester

There are only IK speaking these shoulder straps replaced by leather pads.

And he was there very long

I do not even see how they look!

Pascal the Rascal
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptySun Nov 17, 2013 1:48 pm

Pascal,

Pascal wrote:
On their website the reenactors of the soldiers of the 80 th, were wearing the old style 1872 pattern frock with single -loop cuff design like the 99 th at the battle of Nyezane or part of the 1/13 th at Kambula
But on the old pattern serge frock, the pre-1874 pattern, the facing colour went all around the collar not as it appears on the 8oth re-enactor's site.

Les,

Look at bottom image rather than the top image on page 170, (I've amended it on my original posting.) the unit wrongly identified as 24th are actually 80th. Officer seated on the ground to the left of the tent pole as you look at it, and the officer seated in a chair fifth figure from the right appear to have a broad stripe of something on their left shoulders.

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Yes John , well done ...
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yes JY got that, you can plainly
see the stripe..
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https://s1297.photobucket.com/user/xhosa2000/media/officersofthe80th1879_zpsa9edef89.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptySun Nov 17, 2013 3:45 pm

It is indistinguishable, what is a shoulder straps completely in leather ?
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyThu Nov 28, 2013 5:03 pm

After the Research Team of the 80 th ,the most likely explanation is that a small patch of leather was worn on the shoulder under the epaulet to avoid wear and tear caused by shoulder straps. This would be a local campaign decision and would most likely be removed when the regiment
reached Ireland, post 2nd Zulu War.

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why the
leather pad's.official issue or make do and
mend. xhosa.. pascal, see my post above,
maybe it was ' make do and mend ' but the
research team of the Staff's, will give an
opinion, patience, cheers xhosa
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xhosa2000 wrote:
https://s1297.photobucket.com/user/xhosa2000/media/officersofthe80th1879_zpsa9edef89.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4
Link to Image isn't working.
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sorry, sas1, i delete after a short
while, i'm happy to post again if
you wish. cheers mate xhosa
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyMon Dec 02, 2013 11:21 am

My first question:

Officers of the 80 th Regiment appear to have worn shoulder straps replaced by leather pads in the zulu war .

Response of a connoisseur :

I have no details of this uniform feature. What is your source and is it anything more than the possibility that the pads were a repair to a damaged jacket.

Cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyMon Dec 02, 2013 11:23 am

My second question:

What is that thing ?

Response of a connoisseur :

Again we need to find the original source to identify this non-standard item

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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyMon Dec 02, 2013 11:27 am

My third question:

A Isandhwana,the uniforms of the mounted infantry of the 24th are brand new...
Those of the 2/24 th are still in good condition ...
But the soldiers of 1/24 th are in rags ,ditto for the uniforms of the 1st/13th L.I. and 90 th L.I.to Kambula.

Response of a connoisseur:

What is your source for this -

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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment.    Officers of the 80th Regiment. EmptyMon Dec 02, 2013 1:03 pm

My fourth question:

But the 80 th uniforms, were in any state during the Zulu War, they were also in tatters ?

Response of a connoisseur:

Are these uniform details from a source of any relevance or simply an arbitrary artist making up something for show.

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