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Find me a single opponent of the Zulu killed by gun fire and gutted after, there is no ...
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Pascal MAHE wrote:
TASKER I say that the Zulus did not disembowel the killed by bullets, it flows naturally when you know the Zulu disdain for firearms ... Salute

A very plausible theory Pascal, but we need confirmation from one who knows.
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Bonsoir Doctor Tasker

I do not see any other solutions and nobody could contradict me to this day, is not it ?

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Bonsoir Pascal, mon ami.
Still just a theory Rascal. (A good one).
Still just a theory. Salute
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A good theory Very Happy
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Hi Pascal

In conclusion, it has not been gutted because this man had nothing in his stomach !

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But it wasn't just men that were disemblowel, animals received the same treatment, as did tins of corn beef. It was the red mist.
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I think even if the Zulu were cannibals, they would not have touched the corpse of Durnfords :p;:

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Pascal, you say nonsense!

The Zulu, do not flush the bodies killed by bullets?

How could they do to see the difference, there was Medical Examiners among them ? :p;:

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You're crazy Don\'t agree

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It's still weird that the Zulus had not affected her body!
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A man killed by firearms, by the Zulu, has the right to be torn open as if he was killed in hand to hand combat?
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His watch was stopped by blood, ergo there was a lot of blood on his body. Dr Thrupp says in his book that

"the corpse apparently disfigured by only one long deep wound. "


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It's weird, all Zulus passed beside his corpse did not know him, some think it has not been punctured because because Zulu knew him ?!

I wonder if the fact that he was killed by a gun-is important, for not having been punctured and you ?

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Pascal

He had a "Long deep wound" so clearly someone stabbed him.



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So it has not been punctured, as it was well known and respected by the Zulu as Custer by Lakota and Cheyenne after LBH !
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What ?
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The Zulus said it was out of respect – Mehlokazulu I think it was.

Custer's body very slightly affected by the Indians, also because of compliance...

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It had been stabbed, quite severely, though scratch 



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Although we are drifting to off topic.

"It's long been agreed that George Custer's body was virtually untouched, besides the two bullet wounds, either of which could have killed him. This has often been attributed to the Indians' respect for him, although it's also questionable whether they would have recognized him. His long blond hair had been cut short before he left Ft. Abraham Lincoln and he was wearing a buckskin jacket, not a miltary tunic. I have also read that his eardrums were pierced by some sort of long pins, which supposedly symbolized the fact that he didn't listen and would now "hear better" in the afterlife"

Didn't know he had a brother?
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Durnford's last moments are not clear. he was believed to
have been shot through the heart, but his body was also
found to be covered with Assegaai wounds. ( me. not one
long wound ) he lay on his back-for some reason the Zulu's
had not stripped off any of his clothes-on the nek close to
the stony kopje,probably close to the Rorkes Drift road.

Around the fallen Colonel was a most poignant scene. Lieut
Durrant Scott and 14 of his fellow Carbinneer's,Natal Police-
men, Buffalo Border Guardsmen,Newcastle Mounted Riflemen,
Imperial and Black Infantry- lay scattered around him.
this sight led a Carbineer with the burial party to declare..

What struck everyone on the field was the way in which
the Carbineer's who fell stuck...to Durnford, of all men!

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Hi Oh2.
From memory his brother Tom , I think won The Congressional Medal Of Honour twice ? . It is seen as the American equivalent of the VC . Also from memory Boston Custer was also killed at the LBH , not sure if he was a brother or cousin , I used to know but havent had much to do with the American West for a few years now , since I've been involved with the AZW . Sorry Pete for being off topic . Salute 
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DrummerBoy16 wrote: It Had beens stabbed, quite Severely, though

By Zulu who did not know him ?

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Gents I. Getting somewhat confused by this. Who are we speaking of. Custer or Durnford. . scratch 
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Oh2 its obviously about Durnford , I was only replying to YOUR post on the Custer clan ! scratch .
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Perhaps DB & Pascal could continue their discussion here.

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90th no doubt OldH was thrown by Pascal reply to DB. Not yours!
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old historian2 wrote:

"It's long -been Agreed That George Custer's body was Virtually untouched besides a the two bullet wounds , Either of All which Could have killed him This HAS Often beens Attributed to the Indians ' respect for him , altho it's aussi questionable Whether They . Would Have reconnu him . His long blond hair hAD beens cut short before he left Fort Abraham Lincoln and he was wearing a buckskin jacket , not a miltary tunic . aussi I Have Read That Were His eardrums pierced by some sort of long pine All which supposedly symbolized the fact That Would He Did not listen and now " hear better" in the afterlife "

Did not know he HAD a brother ?


historian2 old , it is women Cheyenne , who knew him that prevented it mutilates .

Only a Lakota warrior cut the tip of his finger , and for his eardrums Were pierced by some sort of long pine All which supposedly symbolized the fact That He Did not listen and Would now " hear better" in the afterlife " ( sort of long pine it's Quill porcupine )it's a legend and also the fact that he had a cheyenne mistress ...

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Marsupial Tom Custer was the C company commander and young brother of George Custer and Autie Reed the Custer's nephew and James Calloun ,Company L commander ,was brother -in -law of George Custer .

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Wheres's that from ? I looked for primary accounts on Durnford when i did a piece on him and i couldn't find a single one that
recounted the wounds on his body - apart from Thrupps account of taking the watch.



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"The Road to Isandhlwana".

On page 230;

" Durnford's last moments are not clear. He was believed to have been shot through the heart but his body was also found to be covered with assegai wounds. He lay on his back - for some reason the Zulus had not stripped off any of his clothes - on the nek close to the stony kopje, probably close to the Rorke's Drift road. Around the fallen Colonel was a most poignant scene. Lieutenant Durrant Scott and fourteen of his fellow Carbineers, Natal Mounted Police, Buffalo Border Guardsmen, Newcastle Mounted Riflemen, Imperial and black infantry lay scattered around him."
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But no source mentioned and he did have some of his clothes stripped off him, boots, knife etc.



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Oi pascal, où vous? il semble étrange
lorsque vous n'avez pas post.hope tout va bien avec
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Bonjour Les

Ouais Les, celà va bien ,mais j'ai du boulot en retard...Very Happy 

Well, for Durnford, the Zulus protect his body on the battlefield ? Such as the Cheyenne women with Custer ...

A bientot Les:D 
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L Very Happy L Today, they are thinking that it has not been gutted, as he committed suicide ...L Very Happy  L
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There is a person who wrote me that Durnford Was Not disembowled  because he had nothing in his belly ... L Very Happy  L
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