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PostSubject: Not lost all ...!!!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptySat Jun 08, 2013 10:02 am

Hello to all

There is an official military report on the exact amount of equipment ,weapons, ect... lost by the British Army at Isandhlwana ?

This type of accounting has necessarily been done by the British headquarters after the battle !

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No, the British army did not take this type of accounting before a campaign Surprised?
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Pascal MAHE wrote:
Hello to all

There is an official military report on the exact amount of equipment ,weapons, ect... lost by the British Army at Isandhlwana ?

This type of accounting has necessarily been done by the  British headquarters after the battle !

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If I ask if there is one, is that I do not possess, but it must exist, right?Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Not lost all ...!!!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptySat Jun 22, 2013 6:43 pm

Pascal wrote:
There is an official military report on the exact amount of equipment ,weapons, ect

I thought you were saying there was an offical report?
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No, I do not understand that there have not a military offical report on the loss of equipments after isandhlwana !Very Happy
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PostSubject: Not Lost all ?   Not lost all ...!!! EmptyTue Jun 25, 2013 2:06 am

Rascal you need to think that its 1879 !! . All the camp papers were destroyed at the camp . So what you are seeking is probably harder to locate than the Holy Grail ! . I doubt you'd find a complete list of what equipment was lost at the Little Big Horn as well .
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But there were no copies of the lists concocted before entering in Zululand? Would have stayed in Natal or aillor ?

Or after the massacre, no civil or military authority has requested a official military report to LC on the exact amount of lost in equipment ,weapons, ect ?
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Actually I have a feeling that Pascal could be right! Im sure I saw a list some place, going from memory Im not near the books at present.

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Nothing extraordinary in what I say, because it is quite logical, because it was and is required for a modern army, even at that time!Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Not lost all ...!!!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptyTue Jun 25, 2013 10:52 am

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Try the Narrative, I dont have access to it but its highly possible there are details there.
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Yes Julian told me that , but I can not find anything , but it is in this book, I would have to take the time for watching...
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Page48 " By the capture of the camp the Zulus became  possessed of two 7-pr.guns with their ammunition ,and of about 800 Martini-Henry rifles ,with some 400 000 cartridges."

This is what I found now, but it is inaccurate, it does not even know the exact number of MHR ! Plus it was not that MHR at Isandhlwana and ammunition, what is this number,it's for the MHR ammunition? What there was in the camp at the beginning of the attack? In this case, it remains at the end of the battle and I do not see how the author could have known how much it remained???
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491,000 rounds before battle or there abouts.
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491,000 rounds before battle or there abouts! What book, this is indicated!

And how the author can say that the Zulus have recovered around 400,000? It was impossible to know it!
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1300 x 70
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1300 x 70 :p;::p;::p;:

We know can be nearly the total amount of cartridges before the battle and it still astonish me, but because allocations were different depending on the body of troops and weapons so no precise number should be known today and as no two men has not fired the same amount of ammunition, the figure of 400,000 is worth nothing!
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PostSubject: Re: Not lost all ...!!!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptyThu Jun 27, 2013 1:47 pm

Add your 400,000 to the sum above
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But first, it is impossible to know the number of rounds fired:p;:
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Hi Springbok.
Cant say I've ever seen a list of what was lost at Isandlwana ! . I'm fairly certain the ' Narrative ' only mentions Rifles and Ammunition and it isnt accurate either , I think they give estimates only .
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Marsupial, it probably an official military report somewhere!
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The weekly Mail Saturday, February 23, 1879:

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It is reported, though not officially that the enemy's capture on Wednesday consisted of
102 wagons,
1,400 Oxen, eight pieces of artillery, 400 Shot and Shell, 1200 Rifles, 250,000 rounds of ammunition, a Rocket trough, £60,000 worth of Commissary stores, and the Colours of the 24th
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Think you'll find that should read Isandlwana Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Not lost all ...!!!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptyMon Jun 12, 2023 4:29 pm

Hi 90th

Not really, as you will find, most Newspapers of the day referred to both battles as one single event.

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PostSubject: Not lost at all    Not lost all ...!!! EmptyTue Jun 13, 2023 1:36 am

Hi Eddie
Which is exactly why you take newspaper reports from the day with a grain of salt ! , I've read hundreds over the years where they've got it wrong ! , as your Post refers to Rorke's Drift.... I can't remember ever reading repots as you say that they were classed as the one event ?? , they , if so , would be Newspaper articles probably best left where you found them , this isn't difficult to work out what was lost at Rorke's Drift ....from memory I can't remember one wagon let alone 120 being lost at RD , they certainly initially lost that many at Isandlwana ! , they did lose 4-8 Horses at RD , not sure if any Oxen were killed at RD ? , if so , it wasn't 1,400 , but that's about what was lost at Isandlwana , can't lose Artillery if you don't have it , or shot and shell which was the case at RD , that goes for the Rocket Trough as well we all know it was at Isandlwana , they certainly never lost 1,200 rifles at RD but it was certainly the case at Isandlwana , no ammunition was lost at RD they were down to their last box it had been expended ! , some of the Commissary may've been lost as in damaged etc , certainly not 60 K worth which would've been the case ( no pun intended ) down the road , and as far as I'm aware no Colours were lost at RD but it was the case ( again no pun intended !) and clearly once again at Isandlwana . To me , and I'd think everyone else it's plain to see they are talking of Isandlwana certainly not RD , not sure why you'd post it ?? , unless , like me , you'd be stating it's in error ? . Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Not lost all ...!!!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptyTue Jun 13, 2023 2:01 am

Hi 90th

I understand where your coming from about Isandlwana and the loss of equipment there and not at Rorkes Drift.
But I can assure you that when the initial disaster occured and was reported in the British newspapers, they were seen as one and the same event. It was only later, after the reports of the heroics by the defenders of Rorkes Drift that they were then seen as separate events. Many newspaper articles back in March1879 refer to the desaster initially as at Rorkes Drift when referring to Isandlwana. Even Julian and I have had a conversation on this subject and we both agreed that that was the case, I will find the post if i can.

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Hi Eddie
Well that'd be interesting to read , if I ever read something so clearly in error I just forget about it toss it to one side , which is probably why I don't remember an article as such ! , I have far to much other information I need to remember ....without remembering reports so clearly in error.
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Hi 90th

That was not the reason for my post, it was to list the equipment that was lost, irrespective of the error in the location of the battle.

Yes there are many an article referring so,  probably innocently in error initially, in many accounts and in the initial reports, until later reports with more detail were printed, then including the seperate account of the defence of Rorkes Drift.

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PostSubject: Not lost at all    Not lost all ...!!! EmptyTue Jun 13, 2023 2:54 am

Hi Eddie
Ok , but you were replying to a post from 2013 ! Very Happy , would be doubtful that person is interested nowadays , he's probably already found the info he was looking for , he may well have departed this Mortal Coil ? . Not sure if you're aware but there's only about 10 or so people that post and ask questions here nowadays , it was used far more frequently going back 10 or more years ago . If Gardner1879 wasn't posting you'd average about 1 or 2 posts a week at best , like it had been up until Gardner joined in Jan this year . Salute
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Hi 90th

Thank you.

I understand it is an old thread, I just thought I would put the list of equipment in a post in reply so visitors could see what was lost if reading it.

It's a shame not many post topics, perhaps some interesting topic will be raised soon.

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