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PostSubject: Not lost all ...!!!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptySat Jun 08, 2013 10:02 am

Hello to all

There is an official military report on the exact amount of equipment ,weapons, ect... lost by the British Army at Isandhlwana ?

This type of accounting has necessarily been done by the British headquarters after the battle !

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No, the British army did not take this type of accounting before a campaign Surprised?
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Hello to all

There is an official military report on the exact amount of equipment ,weapons, ect... lost by the British Army at Isandhlwana ?

This type of accounting has necessarily been done by the  British headquarters after the battle !

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PostSubject: Re: Not lost all ...!!!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptySat Jun 22, 2013 6:37 pm

If I ask if there is one, is that I do not possess, but it must exist, right?Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Not lost all ...!!!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptySat Jun 22, 2013 6:43 pm

Pascal wrote:
There is an official military report on the exact amount of equipment ,weapons, ect

I thought you were saying there was an offical report?
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No, I do not understand that there have not a military offical report on the loss of equipments after isandhlwana !Very Happy
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PostSubject: Not Lost all ?   Not lost all ...!!! EmptyTue Jun 25, 2013 2:06 am

Rascal you need to think that its 1879 !! . All the camp papers were destroyed at the camp . So what you are seeking is probably harder to locate than the Holy Grail ! . I doubt you'd find a complete list of what equipment was lost at the Little Big Horn as well .
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PostSubject: Re: Not lost all ...!!!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptyTue Jun 25, 2013 6:15 am

But there were no copies of the lists concocted before entering in Zululand? Would have stayed in Natal or aillor ?

Or after the massacre, no civil or military authority has requested a official military report to LC on the exact amount of lost in equipment ,weapons, ect ?
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Actually I have a feeling that Pascal could be right! Im sure I saw a list some place, going from memory Im not near the books at present.

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Nothing extraordinary in what I say, because it is quite logical, because it was and is required for a modern army, even at that time!Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Not lost all ...!!!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptyTue Jun 25, 2013 10:52 am

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Try the Narrative, I dont have access to it but its highly possible there are details there.
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Yes Julian told me that , but I can not find anything , but it is in this book, I would have to take the time for watching...
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Page48 " By the capture of the camp the Zulus became  possessed of two 7-pr.guns with their ammunition ,and of about 800 Martini-Henry rifles ,with some 400 000 cartridges."

This is what I found now, but it is inaccurate, it does not even know the exact number of MHR ! Plus it was not that MHR at Isandhlwana and ammunition, what is this number,it's for the MHR ammunition? What there was in the camp at the beginning of the attack? In this case, it remains at the end of the battle and I do not see how the author could have known how much it remained???
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PostSubject: Re: Not lost all ...!!!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptyTue Jun 25, 2013 11:18 pm

491,000 rounds before battle or there abouts.
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PostSubject: Re: Not lost all ...!!!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptyWed Jun 26, 2013 6:20 am

491,000 rounds before battle or there abouts! What book, this is indicated!

And how the author can say that the Zulus have recovered around 400,000? It was impossible to know it!
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1300 x 70
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1300 x 70 :p;::p;::p;:

We know can be nearly the total amount of cartridges before the battle and it still astonish me, but because allocations were different depending on the body of troops and weapons so no precise number should be known today and as no two men has not fired the same amount of ammunition, the figure of 400,000 is worth nothing!
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PostSubject: Re: Not lost all ...!!!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptyThu Jun 27, 2013 1:47 pm

Add your 400,000 to the sum above
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But first, it is impossible to know the number of rounds fired:p;:
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PostSubject: Not at all !!   Not lost all ...!!! EmptyThu Jun 27, 2013 5:32 pm

Hi Springbok.
Cant say I've ever seen a list of what was lost at Isandlwana ! . I'm fairly certain the ' Narrative ' only mentions Rifles and Ammunition and it isnt accurate either , I think they give estimates only .
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Marsupial, it probably an official military report somewhere!
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