WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu: Colour Sergeant Bourne : The sentries report Zulus to the southwest. Thousands of them.
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» Mainwaring, Colonel Henry Germain
What was he thinking? EmptyYesterday at 10:16 pm by ADMIN

» William Papworth. Alan Gardner's servant.
What was he thinking? EmptyYesterday at 6:31 am by Frank Allewell

» List of identified bodies at Isandlwana
What was he thinking? EmptySun Feb 28, 2021 11:18 pm by Julian Whybra

» Zulu War Naval Quiz
What was he thinking? EmptySun Feb 28, 2021 2:43 pm by Petty Officer Tom

» Experiences During the Zulu War
What was he thinking? EmptySun Feb 28, 2021 10:06 am by Peter35

» Major SIR BARTLE COMPTON ARTHUR FRERE
What was he thinking? EmptySun Feb 28, 2021 8:11 am by ADMIN

» Zulu War to Boer war. Those who served in both.
What was he thinking? EmptyFri Feb 26, 2021 8:23 pm by Herbie

» The Case for an Attempt to Save the 2-24th Colours
What was he thinking? EmptyFri Feb 26, 2021 11:09 am by Kenny

» Francis Shirley Russell 14th Hussars
What was he thinking? EmptyThu Feb 25, 2021 10:40 pm by 90th

» Pte John William Jones Davies
What was he thinking? EmptyTue Feb 23, 2021 8:42 pm by Tim Needham

» Soldier: 99th Regiment
What was he thinking? EmptySat Feb 20, 2021 1:10 pm by Peter35

» 1/24th Soldiers first names required
What was he thinking? EmptyFri Feb 19, 2021 10:08 pm by 90th

» 2nd Battalion, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment, September 1879
What was he thinking? EmptyFri Feb 19, 2021 2:44 am by WeekendWarrior

» Rorke's Drift: Corp. Key, Ptes. John Jones and Lynch
What was he thinking? EmptyThu Feb 18, 2021 11:59 am by Julian Whybra

» Brave Natal Volunteer. Any ideas who he is?
What was he thinking? EmptyThu Feb 18, 2021 4:53 am by Frank Allewell

» Private Arthur Wood, 3rd Dragoon Guards.
What was he thinking? EmptyTue Feb 16, 2021 6:05 pm by ADMIN

» Charles Edward Luard
What was he thinking? EmptyMon Feb 15, 2021 8:00 am by ADMIN

» Surgeon-Lieutenant-Colonel D. B. Brown.
What was he thinking? EmptySun Feb 14, 2021 12:13 pm by ADMIN

» Sir Henry Evelyn Wood VC, GCB, GCMG
What was he thinking? EmptySun Feb 14, 2021 11:47 am by ADMIN

» The sick at Rorke's Drift
What was he thinking? EmptySat Feb 13, 2021 5:12 pm by Phil L

» Zulu War Trivia and Quiz
What was he thinking? EmptyFri Feb 12, 2021 11:21 pm by 90th

» The Natal Mounted Police have almost been forgotten.
What was he thinking? EmptyThu Feb 11, 2021 6:36 am by aalunste

» TV tonight - Tue 9 Feb 2021
What was he thinking? EmptyTue Feb 09, 2021 5:37 pm by Kenny

» Major-General Sir Ronald Bertram Lane
What was he thinking? EmptyMon Feb 08, 2021 4:45 pm by ADMIN

» Lt.Col. C. Tucker, Commanding Officer 80th (Staffordshire) Regiment.
What was he thinking? EmptyMon Feb 08, 2021 3:01 pm by ADMIN

» Surgeon-Major HENRY JAGOE, M.B
What was he thinking? EmptySun Feb 07, 2021 4:40 pm by 1879graves

» Harts Military Lists N.L.S. Index search page numbers. A useful list.
What was he thinking? EmptySun Feb 07, 2021 9:44 am by gardner1879

» Lieutenant-Colonel David Campbell Williamson.
What was he thinking? EmptySat Feb 06, 2021 11:39 pm by ADMIN

» DAVID FRANCIS LEWIS
What was he thinking? EmptySat Feb 06, 2021 10:42 pm by ADMIN

» Major F. M. E. Vibart
What was he thinking? EmptySat Feb 06, 2021 10:36 pm by ADMIN

» Maj. W. Gurney 91st Highlanders (Princess Louise's Argyllshire Regiment),
What was he thinking? EmptySat Feb 06, 2021 9:18 pm by ADMIN

» Maj-Gen Geoffrey Barton
What was he thinking? EmptySat Feb 06, 2021 8:43 pm by ADMIN

» Lieutenant-Colonel McWatters
What was he thinking? EmptySat Feb 06, 2021 5:55 pm by ADMIN

» Lieut. W. J. Fowler, 5th Bde. R.A
What was he thinking? EmptySat Feb 06, 2021 4:04 pm by ADMIN

» Lieutenant Charles Henry Bennett Williams. 94th Foot
What was he thinking? EmptySat Feb 06, 2021 3:17 pm by ADMIN

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
VC’s Rorkes Drift 1879
"
Top posters
90th
What was he thinking? Bar_leftWhat was he thinking? BarWhat was he thinking? Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
What was he thinking? Bar_leftWhat was he thinking? BarWhat was he thinking? Bar_right 
littlehand
What was he thinking? Bar_leftWhat was he thinking? BarWhat was he thinking? Bar_right 
ADMIN
What was he thinking? Bar_leftWhat was he thinking? BarWhat was he thinking? Bar_right 
1879graves
What was he thinking? Bar_leftWhat was he thinking? BarWhat was he thinking? Bar_right 
rusteze
What was he thinking? Bar_leftWhat was he thinking? BarWhat was he thinking? Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
What was he thinking? Bar_leftWhat was he thinking? BarWhat was he thinking? Bar_right 
John
What was he thinking? Bar_leftWhat was he thinking? BarWhat was he thinking? Bar_right 
Mr M. Cooper
What was he thinking? Bar_leftWhat was he thinking? BarWhat was he thinking? Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
What was he thinking? Bar_leftWhat was he thinking? BarWhat was he thinking? Bar_right 
Top posting users this month
ADMIN
What was he thinking? Bar_leftWhat was he thinking? BarWhat was he thinking? Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
What was he thinking? Bar_leftWhat was he thinking? BarWhat was he thinking? Bar_right 
Most active topics
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable. 4
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Adding to the Library
The ammunition question
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Keywords
Isandlwana Police payne George spalding james henry john williams 24th Franklin Natal carbineers martini Durnford horse harford Woolfryes taylor drift melvill Prince smith Russell Mounted zulu
 

 What was he thinking?

Go down 
AuthorMessage
Guest
Guest



What was he thinking? Empty
PostSubject: What was he thinking?   What was he thinking? EmptySun Jun 09, 2013 5:11 pm

Hi All

Why LC left troops in the camp of Isandhlwana :p;: ,he needed all the third column to face the royal army Zulu supposed to be in front of Dartnell :p;:

Cheers

P.
Back to top Go down
Chelmsfordthescapegoat

Chelmsfordthescapegoat

Posts : 2581
Join date : 2009-04-24

What was he thinking? Empty
PostSubject: Re: What was he thinking?   What was he thinking? EmptySun Jun 09, 2013 5:19 pm

Isandlwana wasn't never going to be a permanent camp.

The Good Lord Chelmsford moved to Dartnell to assist. There would not have been enough time, to move the whole camp. So he only took half the column..
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



What was he thinking? Empty
PostSubject: Re: What was he thinking?   What was he thinking? EmptySun Jun 09, 2013 5:30 pm

Hello Chelmsfordthescapegoat, how are you from the time Very Happy ?


And he thought defeat all Zulu royal army with so few troops scratch ?

Not enough time ? But Dartnell troops were mobile enough to escape the Zulu royal army, if it had been there, right ?

Cheers

P.
Back to top Go down
John

John

Posts : 2558
Join date : 2009-04-06
Age : 58
Location : UK

What was he thinking? Empty
PostSubject: Re: What was he thinking?   What was he thinking? EmptyMon Jun 10, 2013 8:18 am

Not sure Dartnell would have escaped, if the whole Zulu Army had been there. Certainly the Zulus annoying Dartnell had no intention of attacking him, just leading him away from Isandlwana.
The Zulus were quite busy themselves on the 22nd. They engaged Pearson, Dartnell and Chelmsford tryed to engage them, Isandlwana. and of course Rorkes Drift.


Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



What was he thinking? Empty
PostSubject: Re: What was he thinking?   What was he thinking? EmptyMon Jun 10, 2013 9:28 am

yes but in the LC scenario, all the Zulu royal army was in front of Dartnell!

I think LC was left for the decisive battle (because of bad informations of Dartnell ...)!

And LC felt overcome all the Zulu royal army with so few troops scratch

And Dartnell with only mounted troops and light infantry, he could easily avoid encirclement and escape if all vthe Zulu royal army was in front of him !
Back to top Go down
24th

24th

Posts : 1857
Join date : 2009-03-25

What was he thinking? Empty
PostSubject: Re: What was he thinking?   What was he thinking? EmptyMon Jun 10, 2013 12:30 pm

I don’t think anyone expected that the Zulus would move to meet the British near the border. Chelmsford thought he would be able to march straight to Ulundi. He was under the impression that due to his superior weapons the Zulus would just give up.
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



What was he thinking? Empty
PostSubject: Re: What was he thinking?   What was he thinking? EmptyMon Jun 10, 2013 12:43 pm

Yes and he was so under the impression that due to his superior weapons that the Zulus would just give up, that he will face them with only half of the third column !
Back to top Go down
24th

24th

Posts : 1857
Join date : 2009-03-25

What was he thinking? Empty
PostSubject: Re: What was he thinking?   What was he thinking? EmptyMon Jun 10, 2013 12:55 pm

Good Point you have there Pascal!!!!! Wonder what he would have done if he had discovered the same amount of Zulus at Dartnell's location, that had attacked Isandlwana.
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



What was he thinking? Empty
PostSubject: Re: What was he thinking?   What was he thinking? EmptyMon Jun 10, 2013 2:00 pm

You've got it, this is what I strive to discuss this topic!

In addition he had left the reserve of ammunitions of the 2/24 th at Isandhlwana !

LC was completely stupid or what ?

In face of the 26,000 warriors of the Zulu royal army, LC was beaten in advance, if the third column was not met and if she fought in open country (because it had banned laagers!)

I tell you this guy was really dangerous for his poor soldiers !

Back to top Go down
kopie



Posts : 249
Join date : 2013-06-01

What was he thinking? Empty
PostSubject: Re: What was he thinking?   What was he thinking? EmptyMon Jun 10, 2013 6:48 pm

Apologies for posting the same answer in 2 threads, but you seem to have created 2 threads which essentially ask the same question, Pascal. FWD Jackson in the Hill of the Sphinx, writes that whilst the camp at Isandhlwana was attacked on the morning of the 22nd January, equally, LC and the 2/24th and Dartnell's troops could just as easily have been attacked in the early hours/morning of the 22nd at their loosely defended, hastily constructed, ill-prepared camp at Mangeni Gorge. The 2/24 column could have been attacked in transit on its way to Mangeni Gorge during the early hours. Any of these scenarios would have resulted in a similar, catastrophic, total defeat, similarly to what happened at Isandhlwana, because in any of these situations, Chelmsford was more than confident that his troops and the Martini Henry would easily defeat the Zulus.
He was wrong of course.
The implication is that no matter where the Zulus had attacked, Chelmsford was cruising for a bruising.
In answer to your question, Chelmsford obviously thought one battalion of the 24th would have been more than a match for the whole of the Royal army
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



What was he thinking? Empty
PostSubject: Re: What was he thinking?   What was he thinking? EmptyTue Jun 11, 2013 7:10 am

Here the subject is rather, what was he thinking of the Zulu Royal Army before the war, for being beaten in this way?
Back to top Go down
 
What was he thinking?
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: