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Good post ulundi. some big questions there. i'm sure the answers will be forth coming. there are some clever people around here cheers xhosa2000
90th
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Subject: Cetshwayo's restoration Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:32 am
Hi Ulundi . The following is from Ian Knights ' The Zulu War Then And Now ' The final settlement of the zululand question bore little relation to Frere's original political goal . The confederation scheme had died at Isandlwana , for the war contributed to the fall of the Tory Govt , and the ensuing Liberal regime abandoned a forward policy in South Africa . Zululand , meanwhile , collapsed into chaos . Wolseley's settlement had exaggerated weaknesses inherent in the zulu political and economic system , and his appointees were unable to hold them in check . The country split into those who wanted the monarchy and those who waxed fat in it's absence . Civil war broke out . Cetshwayo , in comfortable but dreary exile in the castle at Cape Town begged to be allowed home to restore order . In 1882 he visited England where he had an audience with Queen Victoria at Osborne House , finally he returned to zululand on the 10th Jan 1893 , he was strictly forbidden to revive the military system , and he was gicen back only part of his former territory . Trouble broke out almost immediatley when Royalist factions outside the King's control , attacked Zibhebhu. Zibhebhu reacted sharply , and launched an attack which Cetshwayo off guard , and massacred many of his supporters . In1906 , the imposition of a poll tax , coming on top of a succession of natural disasters , provoked a rebellion in Natal , but despite the efforts of it's leaders , only a few zulu chiefs supported it , among them Mehlokazulu kaShihayo , who had been one of the causes of the British Ulitmatum in 1879 . It was bloodily suppressed and its leaders, including Mehlokazulu , killed . There is no mention of the zulu's allowed to keep firearms , I doubt they were , as there is no mention of the zulus using them on each other that I can find during their time of Civil War . Cheers 90th
Ulundi
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Subject: Re: Cetshwayo's Restoration! Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:47 am
Thanks 90th, so basically same rules applied.
90th
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Subject: Cetshwayo's Restoration Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:57 am
Hi Ulundi . In a nutshell it appears so . Cheers 90th .
John Young
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Subject: Re: Cetshwayo's Restoration! Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:14 am
90th,
I don't know if it is an error in your typing or your source, but King Cetshwayo kaMpande was restored on 10th January 1883, rather than 1893. It would have been a miracle as he died in 1884!
Ulundi,
On the point of firearms; firearms were certainly used in the Zulu Civil War in 1883. Firearms were used again in the Zulu Uprising in 1888, as a few of the British casualties were shot.
John Y.
90th
Posts : 10469 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
Subject: Cetshwayo Restoration Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:25 am
Hi John . . Certainly a typo on my behalf in my haste to lodge the post ! . As he was certainly well gone by 1893 ! . 90th.
littlehand
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Subject: Re: Cetshwayo's Restoration! Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:43 am