Lieutenant John Chard: What's our strength? Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead: Seven officers including surgeon, commissaries and so on; Adendorff now I suppose; wounded and sick 36, fit for duty 97 and about 40 native levies. Not much of an army for you.
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Sir Garnet Wolseley maintained later in this journal...
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Subject: Sir Garnet Wolseley maintained later in this journal... Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:16 pm
Sir Garnet Wolseley maintained later in this journal that "if the 24 th had been well-handled and had behaved well [ at Isandhlwana ] , the disaster could never have occured ...
Source :
A.Preston,Wolseley's South African Journal 1879-1880 ( Cap Town,1973),p.257.
As Sir Garnet Wolseley was a famous British general, comtemporary and participant of the Zulu war, what to think of his opinion?
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Subject: Sir Garnet Wolseley Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:32 am
Wolseley was critical of nearly everyone and was happy to think he knew best ! , he wasnt at Isandlwana , so we'll never know how he would've handled the whole situation . 90th
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Subject: Re: Sir Garnet Wolseley maintained later in this journal... Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:00 am
Yes Marsupial , I noticed that with him, there was the concurrency between the British general ?
HE was the one to say this on the 24 th? Attacking the units to Isandhlwana ! It was a bold anyway !
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Subject: Re: Sir Garnet Wolseley maintained later in this journal... Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:20 pm
90th wrote:
Wolseley was critical of nearly everyone and was happy to think he knew best ! , he wasnt at Isandlwana , so we'll never know how he would've handled the whole situation . 90th
Yes, he seems to have been a judgmental "know it all"...and as you say, he was not in a position to provide any special insight. But I guess his attitude is interesting to know in the same way that the Duke of Cambridge's was...
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Subject: Re: Sir Garnet Wolseley maintained later in this journal... Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:30 pm
Criticizing the 24 th, it was daring all the same !
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Subject: Re: Sir Garnet Wolseley maintained later in this journal... Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:58 pm
Pascal MAHE wrote:
Criticizing the 24 th, it was daring all the same !
I think you underestimate the power of a Victorian "modern major general." He was virtually inviolate.
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Subject: Re: Sir Garnet Wolseley maintained later in this journal... Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:12 pm
In general in a military disaster like Isandhlwana, people criticize the actions of senior officers, but criticize the poor soldiers of Isandhlwana, he was thinking!
I think that the downfall of LC was pleased to Sir Garnet Wolseley...
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Subject: Re: Sir Garnet Wolseley maintained later in this journal... Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:12 pm
Pascal MAHE wrote:
In general in a military disaster like Isandhlwana, people criticize the actions of senior officers, but criticize the poor soldiers of Isandhlwana, he was thinking!
I think that the downfall of LC was pleased to Sir Garnet Wolseley...
Yes, Chelmsford was a potential rival. Also, he confided his opinion to his journal in writing which is not like proclaiming it on the internet today. Given his reputation, I'm sure he gave voice to those opinions as well within his inner circle...but I don't see anything particularly daring or noteworthy about his doing so. This was, after all, a professional evaluation and he was at the top of his profession. Right or wrong -- he was entitled to be thinking analytically.
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Subject: Re: Sir Garnet Wolseley maintained later in this journal... Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:05 am
Oh the stories of "circle", the famous clans, except that of Sir Garnet Wolseley, there were others at the time in 1879 , LC did not have one to him ?
It was still the first I read that a man de l'epoque had dared criticize the 24 th !
Sir Garnet Wolseley maintained later in this journal...
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