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re, tmfh, is the decoy! a decoy? Suspect  .
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re, tmfh, is the decoy! a decoy? Suspect  .
This is the basis of his book, ZULU VICTORY, written with Peter Quantrill: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

The other half documents the efforts of Chelmsford's contingent to shift/set the blame for their defeat at Durnford's feet.

Or am I missing the point here?
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PostSubject: Re: thought's on a shared decoy!   thought's on a shared decoy! EmptyFri Oct 25, 2013 10:50 pm

As far as I concerned the book  Zulu Victory demonstrates that the blame for the defeat resides firmly at Lord Chelmsford's door.

With regards to the document, I think the theory that Durnford was the first to be decoyed is a very valid point.
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impi wrote:
As far as I concerned the book  Zulu Victory demonstrates that the blame for the defeat resides firmly at Lord Chelmsford's door.

With regards to the document, I think the theory that Durnford was the first to be decoyed is a very valid point.
Impi,

That's supposition at best however. For people who are browsing the thread and haven't clicked on the link, we should explain the FIRST time refers to when Durnford went surging down to the river on a hot tip from Bishop Schrueder that the Zulu would be invading Natal from Middle Drift. This is what caused him to be reprimanded by Chelmsford.

I guess some would argue that Durnford's foray east on 1/22/79 was the second time he was duped.

Just trying to keep the terms of the discussion straight here.

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PostSubject: Re: thought's on a shared decoy!   thought's on a shared decoy! EmptyFri Oct 25, 2013 11:08 pm

Good point. We may as well add of course, that he received a reprimand for his actions! So decoyed and slapped wrists, all in one day.
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PostSubject: Re: thought's on a shared decoy!   thought's on a shared decoy! EmptySat Oct 26, 2013 4:42 am

impi wrote:
Good point. We may as well add of course, that he received a reprimand for his actions! So decoyed and slapped wrists, all in one day.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the link is to a paper, purportedly written by Ron Lock, that claims THE FIRST DECOY was trying to lure Durnford across the river.

I actually have problems believing that and I don't remember it being in ZULU VICTORY. I have never read that claim elsewhere, just in this paper.
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i believe in serendipity, regarding my new posted
link, now thats spooky..

Your constantly shifting identity...now that's spooky!


What.. my sons been ill thats why i missed the above
comment. you want to expand? xhosa
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xhosa2000 wrote:
my sons been ill thats why i missed the above
comment. you want to expand?        xhosa
Sorry to hear about your son. I only meant that the picture you use for your ID keeps changing...
You are no longer so much the eminence grise...more of a martial arts Zulu...that is married.
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PostSubject: Re: thought's on a shared decoy!   thought's on a shared decoy! EmptySat Oct 26, 2013 7:15 pm

thank you my son left hospital
yesterday,he's much better now
resting at home.

i'm thinking of changing my avatar
monthly, because i can, but i will
of course warn you in advance.

"more of a martial arts Zulu...that is married".

again what?... the elder Zulu
veteran fought at Isandhlwana he
wears his countrys highest bravery
award's. xhosa
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xhosa2000 wrote:
thank you my son left hospital
yesterday,he's much better now
resting at home.
Well that must be a relief. I didn't realize it was that serious.
Having children that are sick or unhappy can be worse than experiencing it yourself, sometimes.

Quote :
i'm thinking of changing my avatar
monthly, because i can, but i will
of course warn you in advance.
By all means...so I can brace myself. Which modern major general are you now?

Quote :
"more of a martial arts Zulu...that is married".

again what?... the elder Zulu
veteran fought at Isandhlwana he
wears his countrys highest bravery
award's.
I don't doubt it but, you know, he isn't wearing a VC like Chard or Bromhead, so how am I to know? He looked rather feeble standing up, but the profile I think showed better the man who would have charged into volley fire.

The interim avatar featured a younger man wearing an isicoco (sp?) so I was merely commenting on his marital status...and he did look like he might be kung fu fighting too.
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Which modern major general are you now?
Now you're going to tell me that it's Bromhead, aren't you?
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xhosa2000 wrote:
thank you my son left hospital
yesterday,he's much better now
resting at home.

Well that must be a relief. I didn't realize it was that serious.
Having children that are sick or unhappy can be worse than experiencing it yourself, sometimes.

thank you for that for that. your last line.
was of course anathema to me, but the
rest......... xhosa
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I don't doubt it but, you know, he isn't wearing a VC like Chard or Bromhead, so how am I to know? He looked rather feeble standing up, but the profile I think showed better the man who would have charged into volley fire.

would actually give you a dry slap for that.
way beyond ignorant.but it would be a
cyberslap! no aggression here. You need to study mo 
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would actually give you a dry slap for that.
way beyond ignorant.but it would be a
cyberslap! no aggression here.
Wait -- are you slapping me for my comments in regard to your original avatar or for the old duffer in the current photo?  He doesn't seem to have a lot of braid or ribbons on his uniform which is why I thought he might be the retiring Bromhead.  Facial recognition is a real weak point for me so I have to resort to context markers like that. - 6pdr
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your American. it shows Very Happy 
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xhosa2000 wrote:
thank you my son left hospital
yesterday,he's much better now
resting at home.

i'm thinking of changing my avatar
monthly, because i can
, but i will
of course warn you in advance.

"more of a martial arts Zulu...that is married".

again what?... the elder Zulu
veteran fought at Isandhlwana he
wears his countrys highest bravery
award's.                       xhosa
agree  Love it!,,, best comment all year!
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impi scratch  Not getting involved  You need to study mo  No  Joker 
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Irony! agree
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" Wait -- are you slapping me for my comments in regard to your original avatar or for the old duffer in the current photo? He doesn't seem to have a lot of braid or ribbons on his uniform".. a selective fragment of what you said..

' Old Duffer '..really do you not agree that
the bravery symbols portrayed are just as
valid as the vc, or the medal of honor..
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xhosa2000 wrote:
" Wait -- are you slapping me for my comments in regard to your original avatar or for the old duffer in the current photo?  He doesn't seem to have a lot of braid or ribbons on his uniform"..  a selective fragment of what you said..

' Old Duffer '..really do you not agree that
the bravery symbols portrayed are just as
valid as the vc, or the medal of honor..
You need to study mo 
Xhosa,

My comments are getting confused because your avatar keeps changing. The "old duffer" comment was made wrt your 3rd avatar (from my POV, anyway) which was a middle aged (presumably) British soldier with a mustache seated and in profile. I inquired as to his identity...guessing Bromhead...which seemed to insult you.

In no way, shape or form did I mean to disparage anybody, let alone Zulu symbols of bravery. I am not a collector but if I were, I would value such symbols from the participants in the battle equally.

Strictly for your reference here is how I have seen your avatars over the past week.
1a) First, a head shot of an older Zulu soldier in profile. 1b) And later a two-up, with the same soldier (according to you) standing and looking feeble with age (according to me.)

2) Another two-up: one, a head shot of a younger Zulu with his hair in an isicoco. The other, full body shot of someone poised for a fight wearing something akin to bangles...which I realize were awarded by the king for significant acts of physical prowess/military courage.

3) The British soldier I mentioned above.

You seem to have switched back from the British soldier (i.e. #3) to #2 now. I'm assuming this is under your control. You should be aware however that when you change your avatar it will replace the one you used on prior/existing comments as well. That is probably what is at the root of the confusion between us, but in any case, I am enjoying the slide show...
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hiya 6pdr Very Happy  sorry yes i see what you
mean, 1st Ava, wise induna type, added
to at your request with an image of..
Mnyamana Ka Nqenelele of the Bhutelezi.
hence the hint for you to look left.

You dont insult me mate, its me that has
confused you, i posted the old soldier on
the chair and put it on the wrong thread.
( Hmmm never done that before Suspect
it was for the bromhead thread for com-
parison..it is of course Fred Carrington
24th.

i will stop the avatar merrygo round and i
noticed most members keep there's for
years. i was pleased to see your comment
on personal bravery. and now accept you 
understood my point. ' old duffer and
feeble ' maybe..but in their pomp Very Happy 
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