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PostSubject: On both collars and cuffs ?   On both collars and cuffs ? EmptyWed Nov 27, 2013 10:55 am

Hi all

Please ,corrections requested, if it is necessary ...

In the 1879 Zulu war :

The frocks of the 3 rd Line Infantry have their buff facing colour patches only on the collars and plain red cuff ,but retaining the white tape trefoil.

The frocks of the 4 th Line Infantry have their royal blue facing colour patches only on the collars and plain red cuff ,but retaining the white tape trefoil.

The frocks of the 13 th Light Infantry have their royal blue facing colour patches on both collars and cuffs.

The frocks of the 21 st Line Infantry have their royal blue facing colour patches on both collars and cuffs.

The frocks of the 24 th Line Infantry have their grass green facing colour patches on both collars and cuffs.

The frocks of the 57 th Line Infantry have their yellow facing colour patches on both collars and cuffs.

The frocks of the 58 th Line Infantry have their black facing colour patches on both collars and cuffs.

The frocks of the 60 th Rifles have their collars completely in their black facing colour with the bottom piped red and plain black cuff ,but retaining a single red braid loop as cuff ornament.

The frocks of the 80 th Line Infantry have their Yellow facing colour patches only on the collars and plain red cuff ,but retaining the white tape trefoil.

The frocks of the 88 th Line Infantry have their yellow facing colour patches on both collars and cuffs.

The frocks of the 90 th Light Infantry have their buff facing colour patches only on the collars and plain red cuff ,but retaining the white tape trefoil.

The frocks of the 91 st Line Infantry have their collars completely in their yellow facing colour and gauntlet cuff.

The frocks of the 94 th Line Infantry have their lincoln green facing colour patches on both collars and cuffs.

The frocks of the 99 th Line Infantry have their collars completely in their yellow facing colour and plain red cuff ,but retaining a single white braid loop as cuff ornament.

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PostSubject: Re: On both collars and cuffs ?   On both collars and cuffs ? EmptyThu Nov 28, 2013 6:28 am

Please ,corrections requested because they are full of contradictions between Barthop, IK and Castle ...!
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PostSubject: Re: On both collars and cuffs ?   On both collars and cuffs ? EmptyThu Nov 28, 2013 8:56 am

Rascal

As I stated on an earlier post, the frock tunics were made plain without regimental embellishments so that new tunics could be issued en masse to units as they came into theatre or required replacement. It was up to the regimental tailor and his staff to add the cuffs and collars - sometimes time was against them to include all the niceties of as stated in dress regulations. We also looking at the rough and tumble of operational soldiering in the field and it was not 'parade ground' soldiering.
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PostSubject: Re: On both collars and cuffs ?   On both collars and cuffs ? EmptyThu Nov 28, 2013 9:39 am

Thank you Kenny, but I also thought that some regiments wore only their distinctive colors on any part of their frocks, by "esprit de corps ", to distinguish themselves from other regiments who had the same distinctive color ...No ?

I think I remember now, for what is the distinctive blue color, there were royal blue (dark blue) for the royal regiments and ordinary blue for non-royal regiments with blue facing...

There is also other memento that has just happened to me alas Sad

Several regiments had distinctive yellow color, but they differed in tone (lighter or darker) of this color,I do recall me what regiments Sad

the 57th facings as 'bright' yellow What is this? Lemon yellow? Less dark than the other battalion of yellow with yellow facing?
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PostSubject: Re: On both collars and cuffs ?   On both collars and cuffs ? EmptySat Nov 30, 2013 11:44 am

Pascal,

I seem to remember a report, which may have been either in The London Gazette or The Times which details the stores lost in the sinking of The Clyde. I am fairly certain included in the losses were collar and cuff facings. I will endeavour to find it as it obviously fits in with Kenny's mention of the frocks being plain which might account for some of the anomalies we see in contemporary photographs.

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PostSubject: Re: On both collars and cuffs ?   On both collars and cuffs ? EmptySat Nov 30, 2013 12:40 pm

Yes thank you John, this is like the 8th Hussars (or 11 th Hussars?) At the Battle of Balaclava which had no pelisses because the boat that carried, had sunk!

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