WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu: Colour Sergeant Bourne: It's a miracle. Lieutenant John Chard: If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber miracle. Colour Sergeant Bourne: And a bayonet, sir, with some guts behind it.
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  Latest imagesLatest images  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» Quartermaster W G Morgan 2/3rd Regiment
Artillery supplies EmptyToday at 2:13 am by 90th

» W. Pack 90th Regiment , Bullers servant J Pegg , G Burge , T Atkins , J Merryweather , T Morton , T Emery , E Smith 1/13th Regiment 1878 action
Artillery supplies EmptyToday at 2:08 am by 90th

» 1878 Map of Zululand Jeppe
Artillery supplies EmptyToday at 1:41 am by 90th

» Private Nathan Billings 1/24th Regiment
Artillery supplies EmptyYesterday at 9:49 pm by Bill8183

» Christmas for the armed forces in SA 1878
Artillery supplies EmptyYesterday at 7:14 pm by John Young

» Frontier Light Horse , Defences at Utrecht and Colonel Wood's and Capt Maud's accident
Artillery supplies EmptyYesterday at 6:17 pm by gardner1879

» Maritzburg Hunt Coghill Law Lawrence Daly Moran Turtle
Artillery supplies EmptyYesterday at 8:32 am by John Young

» Regulations for Boer forces in the AZW
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 11:39 pm by gardner1879

» Sports day at Utrecht 90th Regiment and Royal Artillery soldiers details shown
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:58 pm by gardner1879

» Private 45/568 H Purcell 2/3rd Regiment
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:50 pm by gardner1879

» Military Movements Captain Himes' Pioneers
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:36 pm by gardner1879

» Private 49 W Peacock Private William Sullivan alias William Swaine 2/3rd Regiment horse thieves
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 6:35 pm by gardner1879

» Colonel Colenbrandur
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 3:39 pm by Kenny

» Adams Revolver Advert
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 11:19 am by gardner1879

» Colonel Weatherley and the Border Lancer's
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:57 am by gardner1879

» Colonial Volunteer unit locations November 1878
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:54 am by gardner1879

» Natal Native Levies clothing issue Solomon Raw Vause
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:51 am by gardner1879

» Orderly Room Clerk 1410 Arthur Such 3/60th Regiment Corporal 2060 Bill Turley 1/13th Regiment
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:44 am by rai

» New Registrations.
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:06 am by ADMIN

» Brevet Major Samuel Huskinson 80th Regiment
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 9:06 am by rai

» Brevet Major William G Knox Royal Artillery
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 8:51 am by rai

» Gunner 1152 Eli Towner N Battery 6th Brigade Royal Artillery
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 7:52 am by rai

» Captain Arthur Collins 57th Regiment
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 7:30 am by rai

» Dr K/E? M O'Callaghan Army Medical Department
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 7:22 am by rai

» Distribution of captured cattle and loot
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 2:59 am by 90th

» LT COL HENRY PULLEINE.
Artillery supplies EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 2:53 am by 90th

» I have reaped my mealies
Artillery supplies EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 10:56 pm by Julian Whybra

» Transport Arrangements Directors of Transport, Conductors wagons postal service Venn Allen
Artillery supplies EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 7:29 pm by gardner1879

» Private J Roach , J F Kelly J. Keating 1/24th Regiment?
Artillery supplies EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 6:08 pm by gardner1879

» Correct colour for Foreign Service Helmet
Artillery supplies EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 5:48 pm by gardner1879

» iSandlwana a Zulu account describing the Zulu discovery and battle
Artillery supplies EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 5:43 pm by Julian Whybra

» Commandant Schermbrucker
Artillery supplies EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 5:24 pm by gardner1879

» Double pay for Volunteers entering Zululand
Artillery supplies EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 5:17 pm by gardner1879

» Military Movements November 1878 Pulleine Amiel Walker Gelston Russell Crealock
Artillery supplies EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 5:07 pm by gardner1879

» Lance Corporal Minary / Meneary Private Hopkins Doherty Carter Brown1/13th Regiment Nourse
Artillery supplies EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 11:42 am by gardner1879

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
The Missionaries The Zulus & The British Empire in Southern Africa / Full Documentary.
Top posters
90th
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
littlehand
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
ADMIN
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
1879graves
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
gardner1879
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
rusteze
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
John Young
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
Top posting users this month
gardner1879
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
90th
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
rai
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
John Young
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
Eddie
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
ADMIN
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
1879graves
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
Kenny
Artillery supplies Bar_leftArtillery supplies BarArtillery supplies Bar_right 
Most active topics
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable. 4
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Please Do Not Post Ads on Our Forum
Google Chrome new standards imposed
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The missing five hours.
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
The ammunition question
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Adding to the Library
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Keywords
taylor Jones horse martini Russell williams anstey Mounted Police harford john Isandlwana james George drift 2022 Roll brown Franklin rifles 24th smith henry Durnford Prince Natal
 

 Artillery supplies

Go down 
+3
barry
John Young
Ray63
7 posters
AuthorMessage
Ray63

Ray63


Posts : 706
Join date : 2012-05-05

Artillery supplies Empty
PostSubject: Artillery supplies   Artillery supplies EmptySun May 18, 2014 10:32 am

What supplies did the artillery have when on the march. We see Lieutenant-Colonel Harness, Royal Artillery. Being order not to return to Isandlwana, but to stick to his original order. What impact would Harness have had if he had returned. Would he have had enough supplies ie shells. Powder ect. To have held his ground if attacked.? Did the Artillery crews have MH rifles?
Back to top Go down
John Young

John Young


Posts : 2836
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 67
Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!

Artillery supplies Empty
PostSubject: Re: Artillery supplies   Artillery supplies EmptySun May 18, 2014 4:07 pm

Ray63,

I'll answer your last question.

Twelve 0.577 Snider carbines per-battery, so two carbines for each cannon of the battery so to speak.

In addition there were seventy-four sword bayonets. Not quite enough for a battery-strength of what should have amounted to a hundred & sixty-seven other-ranks.

To my knowledge there were no pistols or swords worn by the other-ranks of the battery, with the possible exception of the battery's Serjeant-Major & the Quartermaster Serjeant. I believe the events of Isandlwana changed that though.

Details of the number of shells carried on the limber can be found on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

John Y.
Back to top Go down
Ray63

Ray63


Posts : 706
Join date : 2012-05-05

Artillery supplies Empty
PostSubject: Re: Artillery supplies   Artillery supplies EmptySun May 18, 2014 10:29 pm

John thanks for the quick reply. Do we know what range the guns had.?
Back to top Go down
barry

barry


Posts : 947
Join date : 2011-10-21
Location : Algoa Bay

Artillery supplies Empty
PostSubject: Range ,RML 7 and 9 pounders   Artillery supplies EmptyMon May 19, 2014 6:10 am

Hi Ray63,
These cannon used in the AZW by the RA , the RML 7 and  9 pounders had an effective range of 3000 and 3100 yards respectively. The range may have varied a little, depending on the type of shell used.
The AZW started with the  RML 7  in use, but that was  was changed, as the war advanced, with the introduction of the heavier RML 9's. These were mostly borrowed from the RN ( eg HMS Boadecia) on which improvised carriages were used.
The carriage of the RML7, originaly intended as a mountain gun, was modified for South African use. The design changes  included the fitting of larger diameter wheels on the carriage, thus giving an increase in height to improve ground clearance.

regards

barry

PS : The construction of the barrels in the early guns was interesting in that there were three parts to it including a twisted steel forging ( much like the Damascus barrel shotguns) comprising the mid section and an outer tube enclosing it.  Rifling was three groove in the inner tube.


Last edited by barry on Tue May 20, 2014 6:38 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top Go down
24th

24th


Posts : 1862
Join date : 2009-03-25

Artillery supplies Empty
PostSubject: Re: Artillery supplies   Artillery supplies EmptyMon May 19, 2014 9:06 am

There are quite a few letters from soldiers that returned to Isandlwana in the aftermath. Some say they re-took the camp, cannons clearing the ground ahead. Would this have been the case or had the Zulu left the camp Prior to there arrival?
Back to top Go down
barry

barry


Posts : 947
Join date : 2011-10-21
Location : Algoa Bay

Artillery supplies Empty
PostSubject: Clearing the camp   Artillery supplies EmptyMon May 19, 2014 9:31 am

Hi 24th,
It is recorded that when Chelmsford returned to the camp on the afternoon of the disaster that the RA's RML 7 cannon were used and three or four shots were fired into the camp. As it was already dark  when this happened the efficacy is in question, so in my mind the short cannon fusillade  would hardly have cleared anything and really only served to make a lot of noise.
The few Zulu's who were left in the camp at that time were probably too intoxicated to move, who, in their orgy of pillage and destruction had  cleared out the  Brigade Surgeons tent and drank  demijohns of surgical spirit and anti-septic carbolic solution.
So, the enemy opposition remaining then was about nil ,.... if they were still bipedal and/ or compus mentus.
However , before going in, Chelmsford did rally the  troops telling them to fix bayonets and do the good thing. All too late however, as the Impi had  already departed .

regards

barry


Last edited by barry on Tue May 20, 2014 6:41 am; edited 2 times in total
Back to top Go down
24th

24th


Posts : 1862
Join date : 2009-03-25

Artillery supplies Empty
PostSubject: Re: Artillery supplies   Artillery supplies EmptyMon May 19, 2014 6:14 pm

Do we know exactly what these Zulu's were supposed to have drunk, surgical spirit wouldn't kill you, you would vomit before any harm was done!
I read that some drank ink. Are we saying that the British didn't have water supplies in the camp.
Back to top Go down
John Young

John Young


Posts : 2836
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 67
Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!

Artillery supplies Empty
PostSubject: Re: Artillery supplies   Artillery supplies EmptyMon May 19, 2014 10:29 pm

The two recovered cannon of N Battery, 5th Brigade, Royal Artillery back under the Union Flag.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
The recovered cannon of N/5, photographed early September 1879 at Ulundi.
John Young Collection.

Charles Norris-Newman describes the firing of the four remaining cannon in his book:

C. L. Norris-Newman wrote:
...At a distance of within a mile, where the ground rose to the site of the camp, we could see, by the shadows against the horizon, on the top of the neck of land, where our road ran back to the Bashee Valley, and so on to Rorke's Drift, that the enemy had dragged numerous waggons, so as to place a sort of barrier across our only road back.  And from behind this we thought we could hear the hoarse cries of the enemy, and the rattle of their knob-kerries and assegais against their shields.  A halt was therefore made to allow the guns to pour four rounds of shrapnel into the barricade, when the advance was resumed. ...

John Y.
Back to top Go down
littlehand

littlehand


Posts : 7077
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 54
Location : Down South.

Artillery supplies Empty
PostSubject: Re: Artillery supplies   Artillery supplies EmptyMon May 19, 2014 10:49 pm

Why did I expect the barrels to be larger? They hardly look man enough to cause enough damage to turn the enemy.
Back to top Go down
barry

barry


Posts : 947
Join date : 2011-10-21
Location : Algoa Bay

Artillery supplies Empty
PostSubject: The RML 7   Artillery supplies EmptyThu May 22, 2014 2:25 pm

Hi Littlehand,
Agreed, the fitting of larger wheels made the already puny weapon look more ridiculous. However ,it was originally designed as a mountain gun and kept small for hauling around high places, but it was totaly inadeqaute for the task in SA. So, once the wheels were changed the trail and the spade were also modded, making it a real ugly duckling. It was however soon replaced by the RML 9, its big brother.

regards

barry
Back to top Go down
Mr M. Cooper

Mr M. Cooper


Posts : 2522
Join date : 2011-09-29
Location : Lancashire, England.

Artillery supplies Empty
PostSubject: Re: Artillery supplies   Artillery supplies EmptyThu May 22, 2014 3:18 pm

Hi Barry.

I seem to remember reading that the larger wheels were fitted for haulage through long grass, but they do look a bit odd with such a small weapon.

Hope your keeping well mate.  Salute 
Back to top Go down
Saul David 1879




Posts : 527
Join date : 2009-02-28

Artillery supplies Empty
PostSubject: Re: Artillery supplies   Artillery supplies EmptyThu May 22, 2014 8:36 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest




Artillery supplies Empty
PostSubject: Re: Artillery supplies   Artillery supplies EmptyThu May 22, 2014 8:50 pm

it might be me, but the prices seem cheaper
than the uk!. thanks for that.
Back to top Go down
barry

barry


Posts : 947
Join date : 2011-10-21
Location : Algoa Bay

Artillery supplies Empty
PostSubject: RML 7pounder wheels   Artillery supplies EmptyFri May 23, 2014 4:18 am

Hi Saul,
Thanks for that.
The diameter of these original wheels, being 36 inches means that the axle tree was less than 18inches off the ground. That well illustrates the unsuitablilty of the RML7 carriage , as originally designed, for SA conditions .

regards

barry
Back to top Go down
 
Artillery supplies
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» Reynolds - Retrieving supplies from hospital during defence
» supplies of ammunition - Isandlwana - DURNFORD's donga
» N/5 Artillery
» N/5 Artillery
» Conductor of Supplies Frank Lumsden Cassell, Commissariat and Transport Department

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: