Zulu: Lieutenant John Chard:What's our strength? Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead:Seven officers including surgeon, commissaries and so on; Adendorff now I suppose; wounded and sick 36, fit for duty 97 and about 40 native levies. Not much of an army for you
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Posts : 2062 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 64 Location : Lower Sheering, Essex
Subject: Hythe group circa 1875 Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:09 pm
Having just acquired another group undertaking the course at Hythe, I thought I'd throw it open to the forum to assist in identifying a 24th officer in the group:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Hythe group circa 1875 John Young Collection.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Close-up on 24th Officer, Hythe group circa 1875 John Young Collection.
I'm giving an approximate date of 1875, as some of the officers are wearing cap details introduced in the 1874 Dress Reg's, and there is a mixture of Martini-Henrys and Sniders in the group.
Any thoughts?
John Y.
Neil Aspinshaw
Posts : 552 Join date : 2009-10-14 Location : Loughborough
Subject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875 Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:26 pm
John If you could zoom in on the rifle clearing rods, they do appear to be the approved 1876 (23.6.76) pattern or the 1876 converted 1873 pattern (29.2.76), so I'd opt for 1876-78.
John Young
Posts : 2062 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 64 Location : Lower Sheering, Essex
Subject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875 Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:29 pm
Cheers Neil.
Regards,
John Y.
rusteze
Posts : 2881 Join date : 2010-06-02
Subject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875 Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:01 pm
A guess. Lt. Quentin McKinnon Logan 2/24th, was with Chelmsford on 22nd. Letter home published in Red Soldier. Instructor of Musketry 1880.
Steve
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Subject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875 Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:25 pm
Cracking photo JY..
Guest Guest
Subject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875 Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:28 pm
Looks like Marter, bottom row middle-ish. am searching as i type..
Guest Guest
Subject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875 Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:44 pm
Just throwing in Glennie?
ymob
Posts : 2258 Join date : 2010-10-22 Location : France
Subject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875 Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:22 pm
Mister YOUNG, For you, who is this man? Cheers.
John Young
Posts : 2062 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 64 Location : Lower Sheering, Essex
Subject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875 Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:17 pm
Frederic,
My gut-feeling is it is Lieutenant Herbert Michael Williams, 2nd Battalion, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment.
Williams served as the Instructor of Musketry for the 2nd/24th from 4th May 1876 until 22nd January 1879, promoted to Captain 23rd January 1879.
If you know the well-known group photograph of the officers of 2nd/24th taken in India in 1872, Williams is seated at the right of the picture in a chair holding a cane in his left hand.
Regards,
John Y.
Last edited by John Young on Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:03 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Inserted the 'word' so Impi doesn't have to scratch his head!)
ymob
Posts : 2258 Join date : 2010-10-22 Location : France
Subject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875 Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:56 pm
John Young wrote:
Frederic,
My gut-feeling is it is Lieutenant Herbert Michael Williams, 2nd Battalion, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment.
Williams served as the Instructor of Musketry for the 2nd/24th from 4th May 1876 until 22nd January 1879, promoted to Captain 23rd January 1879.
If know the well-known group photograph of the officers of 2nd/24th taken in India in 1872, Williams is seated at the right of the picture in a chair holding a cane in his left hand.
Regards,
John Y.
Bonsoir Mister YOUNG, Thank you for your answer. I know the photo of the officers of 2nd/24th taken in India in 1871(?)-1872 (from memory there is 2 photographies of the same group of officers / Bannister, Younghusband, Pulleine, Penn-Symons, Pope, Erksine, Sugden, Church...).
Cordialement Frédéric
impi
Posts : 2308 Join date : 2010-07-02 Age : 40
Subject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875 Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:18 pm
John Young wrote:
Frederic,
My gut-feeling is it is Lieutenant Herbert Michael Williams, 2nd Battalion, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment.
Williams served as the Instructor of Musketry for the 2nd/24th from 4th May 1876 until 22nd January 1879, promoted to Captain 23rd January 1879.
If know the well-known group photograph of the officers of 2nd/24th taken in India in 1872, Williams is seated at the right of the picture in a chair holding a cane in his left hand.
Regards,
John Y.
John Young
Posts : 2062 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 64 Location : Lower Sheering, Essex
Subject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875 Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:15 pm
Les,
The last two aren't relevant - wrong battalion - 1st/24th.
Impi,
I take it that it is too much to hope for true rhetoric from you?
John Y.
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Subject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875 Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:05 pm
Yes JY, i'm fully aware of that, and have been for many many years.. my point was to put them all up together so that people could see both Battalions together, and see who else they could spot. can see now i am just muddying the water so to speak, my apology's, i was going to throw the ' war council ' up as well but of course i will not bother..i bought 20gb of photobucket image time today, and i'm afraid it went to my head..
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