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PostSubject: Father & Son   Father & Son EmptySun Dec 06, 2015 12:05 am

Does anyone know the name of the father and son who where killed in one the Zulu Battles. I can't find anything on them?

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PostSubject: Re: Father & Son   Father & Son EmptySun Dec 06, 2015 1:10 am

I believe you may be referring to Colonel Frederick Weatherley, formerly of the 4th Light Dragoons who was at that stage farming in the Transvaal. He had his 15 year old son with him. He was in Charge of the Border Horse. They were trapped on Hlobane and massacred despite trying to charge through the Zulu impi. The story is written up quite a detailed manner as a quote from The Zulu Campaign, reproduced on page 129 of "The Zulu War 1879" by Alan LLoyd. A good little over view of the whole war.
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PostSubject: Father & Son    Father & Son EmptySun Dec 06, 2015 7:13 am

The Weatherley's were father and son , Piet Uys was also killed at Hlobane trying to save his son , I think his son got away from memory ? .
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PostSubject: Re: Father & Son   Father & Son EmptySun Dec 06, 2015 9:37 pm

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The Death of Weatherley This poignant print of Colonel Weatherley desperately trying to save his son from the abaQwalusi tribesmen at Hlobane was published in the Graphic in 1879. They both died from multiple stab wounds.
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PostSubject: Father & Son    Father & Son EmptySun Dec 06, 2015 9:45 pm

For those who are interested the Son's name was Rupert .
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PostSubject: Re: Father & Son   Father & Son EmptyMon Dec 07, 2015 12:31 am

Excellent thanks for replies.
Are there any eyewitness accounts of their deaths.
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PostSubject: Father & Son    Father & Son EmptyMon Dec 07, 2015 4:57 am

Ray63
I think there is an account in ' Blood On The Painted Mountain ' by L & Q , all my books are packed away for the move .
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PostSubject: Re: Father & Son   Father & Son EmptyMon Dec 07, 2015 6:50 am

Admin,

The engraving is from 'The Penny Illustrated' rather than 'The Graphic', I'll contact the other site when I'm back home and let them know of their error.

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PostSubject: Re: Father & Son   Father & Son EmptyMon Dec 07, 2015 7:19 am

90th wrote:
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I think there is an account in ' Blood On The Painted Mountain ' by L & Q , all my books are packed away for the move .
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So you bought that place looking over iSandlwana ?
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PostSubject: Re: Father & Son   Father & Son EmptyMon Dec 07, 2015 8:04 am

Frank,

Blame me I told him it was for sale...

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PostSubject: Re: Father & Son   Father & Son EmptyMon Dec 07, 2015 8:15 am

Weatherley then serving in 4th Light Dragoons took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade (25 October 1854).
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PostSubject: Re: Father & Son   Father & Son EmptyMon Dec 07, 2015 9:30 am

I can't find him listed in the 4th Light Dragoons section of "Honour The Light Brigade", Lummis and Wynn, which supposedly lists all the chargers. However I see he is listed on the website below. I just thought I'd read what was said about him. Just shows these books are not perfect !! You need to study mo

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PostSubject: Re: Father & Son   Father & Son EmptyTue Dec 08, 2015 7:02 am

Onthe death of the Weatherleys, this is the verbatim quote from the book mentioned in my first post on this topic.

"When all save honour seemed lost, (wrote Major Ashe) Weatherley placed his beloved boy upon his best horse and kissing him on the forehead commended him to another father's care and implored him to overtake the nearest group of British horse, which seemed and that time to be cutting itself out. The boy clung to his father and begged to be allowed to stay by his side and share his life or death. The contrast was characteristic - the man, bearded, bronzed and hardy sabreur, with a father's tears on his cheek, while the blue eyed and fair haired lad, with much of the beauty of a girl in his appearance was calmly and with a smile of delight loading his father's favourite carbine. When the two noble hearts were last seen, the father, wounded to death with cruel assegais, was clasping the boy's hand with his left, while his right cut down the brawny savages who came to despoil him of his charge."

As I said, in quite colourful language and almost guaranteed to bring a tear to a glass eye !! Sad Salute
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PostSubject: Father & Son    Father & Son EmptyTue Dec 08, 2015 7:38 am

Hi Nitro450
Just wanting to clarify the Maj Ashe wasn't in Zululand , Ashe , from memory , was writing from what Wyatt - Edgell ( KIA Ulundi ? ) had sent to him . Happy to be corrected .
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PostSubject: Re: Father & Son   Father & Son EmptyTue Dec 08, 2015 7:53 am

My notes:

ASHE, Waller, Major (1839-1893).
Ashe and Captain Wyatt-Edgell produced The Story of the Zulu Campaign, published in London in 1880, dedicating it to Empress Eugénie. After a short history of the Zulus from King Shaka’s time, the book gives a résumé of the many land disputes between the Zulus and the Boers over nearly 40 years, and of the war between Cetshwayo and the British. A vivid picture is drawn of the battles, sieges and the more important incidents, including the death of the Prince Imperial and the capture of Cetshwayo. Ashe had retired from the army before the Anglo-Zulu War and probably edited accounts sent home by Wyatt-Edgell and Richard Marter. Born in Ashmore, County Tipperary, Ireland, he received a commission as a cornet in the 1st (King’s) Dragoon Guards in 1853. He later served for a short period in the infantry as Adjutant 85th (Buckinghamshire Volunteers) Light Infantry before returning to the King’s Dragoon Guards. His other book, Personal Records of the Kandahar Campaign, was published in 1881. At the time of these publications Ashe was living at Red Lion Square, Finsbury, London.
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PostSubject: Re: Father & Son   Father & Son EmptyTue Dec 08, 2015 9:10 am

Hi 90th,

According to the description on ABE Books re Ashe's book it was written from Journals and letters etc he obtained. The portion I mentioned certainly makes it very melancholy. Very much in the Victorian writing syle.

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PostSubject: Father & Son    Father & Son EmptyTue Dec 08, 2015 9:23 am

Hi Nitro
Yes that's correct , he ( Ashe ) received his correspondence from Wyatt - Edgell 17th Lancers . Sorry I missed the call !

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