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G'day all. I have long had an 1879 clasp medal to 267 Pte. W.J. Montgomery of the 1/13th - attempts at finding a personnel file on him have yielded no reward - the same applies to the muster rolls at Kew - he is M.I.A.
Can anyone tell me more about what the 1/13th got up to so that I can at least pin him down to some of the actions? I know he obviously wasn't at Isandlwana or Rorke's Drift but, if memory serves they were at Khambula, Hlobane and Ulundi.
What I can share is that he was William J. Montgomery and that his date of discharge was 13 May 1882 (in South Africa) and that was after 7 years 160 days service (5 years 358 days) with good conduct. That much I was able to find on him on FMP.
Regards
Rory
John Young
Posts : 2175 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 64 Location : Lower Sheering, Essex
According to the Medal Roll the bar should be 78-9.
The battalion's major actions were Khambula and Ulundi.
As you can't find him in the muster rolls, did you check those on detached duties? As the 1st/13th supplied men to the 2nd Squadron, Mounted Infantry which served with the Coastal Columns. Just a thought.
Regards,
John Y.
Frank Allewell
Posts : 7660 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 73 Location : Cape Town South Africa
Rory This may be of interest as WJ stayed behind in South Africa, Document 1 of 3 DEPOT KAB SOURCE LC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 1103 SYSTEM 03 REFERENCE UC9347 PART 1 DESCRIPTION LIMITED COMPANIES: ACT 46 OF 1926. WILLIAM J MONTGOMERY (PROPRIETARY) LIMITED. STARTING 1937 ENDING 1937
Document 2 of 3 DEPOT TAB SOURCE WLD TYPE LEER SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 2605/1973 PART 1 DESCRIPTION OPPOSED APPLICATION. RNJ (PTY.) LTD. VERSUS WILLIAM J MONTGOMERY (PTY.) LTD. STARTING 19730000 ENDING 19730000
Document 3 of 3 DEPOT TAB SOURCE WLD TYPE LEER SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 253/1974 PART 1 DESCRIPTION EX PARTE APPLICATION. ALBERT RUSKIN IN RE: WILLIAM J MONTGOMERY (PTY.) LTD. STARTING 19740000 ENDING 19740000
The (PTY) Ltd is a company designation akin to Incorporated.
John - a friend checked the muster rolls for me at Kew - I didn't think about the detached duties angle. How would one go about finding out? Not being able to determine more about the man is intensely frustrating.
Regards
Rory
John Young
Posts : 2175 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 64 Location : Lower Sheering, Essex
There's a section within the muster and pay rolls for those on detached duties.
Please ignore my above remark, 1st/13th supplied men to the 1st Squadron, Mounted Infantry, which were initially with No. 3 Column, before being transferred to Wood's command after the failed first invasion.
Regards,
John Y.
ymob
Posts : 2270 Join date : 2010-10-22 Location : France
There were 6 unnamed infantrymen belonged to the 1/13th Regiment at Helpmekaar the 22nd January 1879. Source: "The Defense of Helpmekaar 22nd January 1879" by Graham Alexander, essay revised and updated by Julian Whybra, "Studies in the Zulu War 1879: Vol. III" by Julian Whybra.
Cheers.
Frédéric
rusteze
Posts : 2881 Join date : 2010-06-02
Subject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:07 am
This is Montgomery's entry on the medal roll - looks like just 1879 bar to me. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Steve
John Young
Posts : 2175 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 64 Location : Lower Sheering, Essex
Subject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:31 am
Steve,
Perhaps I should not accepted Roy Dutton's book as fact.
John Y.
Rory Reynolds
Posts : 43 Join date : 2017-07-02
Subject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:20 am
Apologies gents - Montgomery's medal is indeed a 1878/79 clasp.
Regards
Rory
rusteze
Posts : 2881 Join date : 2010-06-02
Subject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:15 am
My error. The final "Yes" in the right hand column of the roll is "Engaged against Sekukuni". Strange there are two Sekukuni coumns.
Steve
John Young
Posts : 2175 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 64 Location : Lower Sheering, Essex
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