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PostSubject: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery EmptyMon Jul 31, 2017 2:57 pm

G'day all. I have long had an 1879 clasp medal to 267 Pte. W.J. Montgomery of the 1/13th - attempts at finding a personnel file on him have yielded no reward - the same applies to the muster rolls at Kew - he is M.I.A.

Can anyone tell me more about what the 1/13th got up to so that I can at least pin him down to some of the actions? I know he obviously wasn't at Isandlwana or Rorke's Drift but, if memory serves they were at Khambula, Hlobane and Ulundi.

What I can share is that he was William J. Montgomery and that his date of discharge was 13 May 1882 (in South Africa) and that was after 7 years 160 days service (5 years 358 days) with good conduct. That much I was able to find on him on FMP.

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PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery EmptyMon Jul 31, 2017 4:41 pm

Rory,

According to the Medal Roll the bar should be 78-9.

The battalion's major actions were Khambula and Ulundi.

As you can't find him in the muster rolls, did you check those on detached duties? As the 1st/13th supplied men to the 2nd Squadron, Mounted Infantry which served with the Coastal Columns. Just a thought.

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PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery EmptyMon Jul 31, 2017 6:38 pm

Rory
This may be of interest as WJ stayed behind in South Africa,
Document 1 of 3
DEPOT KAB
SOURCE LC
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 1103
SYSTEM 03
REFERENCE UC9347
PART 1
DESCRIPTION LIMITED COMPANIES: ACT 46 OF 1926. WILLIAM J MONTGOMERY
(PROPRIETARY) LIMITED.
STARTING 1937
ENDING 1937



Document 2 of 3
DEPOT TAB
SOURCE WLD
TYPE LEER
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 2605/1973
PART 1
DESCRIPTION OPPOSED APPLICATION. RNJ (PTY.) LTD. VERSUS WILLIAM J MONTGOMERY
(PTY.) LTD.
STARTING 19730000
ENDING 19730000



Document 3 of 3
DEPOT TAB
SOURCE WLD
TYPE LEER
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 253/1974
PART 1
DESCRIPTION EX PARTE APPLICATION. ALBERT RUSKIN IN RE: WILLIAM J MONTGOMERY
(PTY.) LTD.
STARTING 19740000
ENDING 19740000


The (PTY) Ltd is a company designation akin to Incorporated.

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PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery EmptyMon Jul 31, 2017 9:06 pm

Thanks John and Frank.

John - a friend checked the muster rolls for me at Kew - I didn't think about the detached duties angle. How would one go about finding out? Not being able to determine more about the man is intensely frustrating.

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PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery EmptyMon Jul 31, 2017 9:20 pm

Rory,

There's a section within the muster and pay rolls for those on detached duties.

Please ignore my above remark, 1st/13th supplied men to the 1st Squadron, Mounted Infantry, which were initially with No. 3 Column, before being transferred to Wood's command after the failed first invasion.

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PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery EmptyMon Jul 31, 2017 10:38 pm

Bonsoir,

There were 6 unnamed infantrymen belonged to the 1/13th Regiment at Helpmekaar the 22nd January 1879.
Source: "The Defense of Helpmekaar 22nd January 1879" by Graham Alexander, essay revised and updated by Julian Whybra, "Studies in the Zulu War 1879: Vol. III" by Julian Whybra.

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PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery EmptyTue Aug 01, 2017 1:07 am

This is Montgomery's entry on the medal roll - looks like just 1879 bar to me.
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PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery EmptyTue Aug 01, 2017 6:31 am

Steve,

Perhaps I should not accepted Roy Dutton's book as fact. You need to study mo

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PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery EmptyTue Aug 01, 2017 7:20 am

Apologies gents - Montgomery's medal is indeed a 1878/79 clasp.

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PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery EmptyTue Aug 01, 2017 10:15 am

My error. The final "Yes" in the right hand column of the roll is "Engaged against Sekukuni". Strange there are two Sekukuni coumns.


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PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery EmptyTue Aug 01, 2017 7:49 pm

Steve,

That's because of the two campaigns against Sekhukune fought by British & Colonial forces. The one in 1878 and that of 1879.

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PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery EmptyTue Aug 01, 2017 9:37 pm

Both covered in William Wright's A British Lion in Zululand..
the latter one extensively.
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