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PostSubject: The attack of the right horn.   The attack of the right horn. EmptyThu Nov 23, 2017 7:21 am

As a battle, Isandlwana has many conundrums. One which puzzles me most is the attack of the 3 regts of the right horn. Despite reading scores of books I cannot get my head around the following:
If they attacked in overwhelming strength, how did anyone escape?
There are many accounts stating they rushed in from the rear surrounding the retreating troops , yet a sizeable portion of the 24th still fought their way to the saddle and beyond. Plus a fair number of mounted men got through in groups or alone. How is that possible if 3-4000 zulu were blocking the way?
Or, is it possible as described by Mike Snook the fighting was more "fluid"?

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PostSubject: Re: The attack of the right horn.   The attack of the right horn. EmptyThu Nov 23, 2017 9:08 am

Hi Bill

When Durnford left the Donga and the 24th started to retire the game was clearly up so this is when most people began to flee the field and at this point the right horn had not fully attacked yet. Once it did it trapped the rest of the people in. Lt Anstey managed to cross the Nek and according to a Zulu source Umhoti (quoted in Jackson) put up a massive rate of fire that helped them hold the Zulu's back till they were dislodged by the right horn and eventually caught at the Manzimnyama river.

Lt. Anstey's retreat always fascinated me given the distance involved and the fact they had so much ammuntion to put up the rate of fire described.

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PostSubject: Re: The attack of the right horn.   The attack of the right horn. EmptyThu Nov 23, 2017 11:44 am

Bill, Sam
Anstey would have passed 2/24th Ammunition wagon and once on the saddle potentially the regimental reserves, BBG, Carbineers Newcastle Mounted Rifles and Durnfords wagons. Lots of potential for replenishing unlike the companies coming below the tent lines H and Pope, their only hope was getting to either the 1/24 or to the saddle. Although I'm pretty sure some elements of Pope did get there, the resistance below Mahlabamkosi, to the east, and also the soldiers around Durnford have to be accounted for if we believe the right horn cut the camp in two.
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