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PostSubject: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptySun Jun 10, 2018 10:54 pm

Has anyone got a photo of the original Ultimatum tree before that storm destroyed it I am guessing there is not many around

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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyMon Jun 11, 2018 2:58 am

I have one. I will get one of the members to post it.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyMon Jun 11, 2018 8:40 am

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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyMon Jun 11, 2018 9:45 am

Thanks Andy. Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyMon Jun 11, 2018 9:49 am

Frank,

Wasn’t that after it was flood damaged?

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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyMon Jun 11, 2018 10:44 am

Yes, after Demoina hit.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyMon Jun 11, 2018 1:27 pm

Just checked photo was taken in May 1984
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyMon Jun 11, 2018 1:40 pm

Frank,

I know it looked slightly better when saw it in September 1991.

Anthony,

I have a number of transparencies that Ken Griffith had done whilst filming Black as Hell, Thick as Grass, it is feasible there might be a shot of the Ultimatum Tree amongst them.

I do have a number of 1879 images that include the tree, when the hawser of the pont used there was secured to it.

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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyWed Jun 13, 2018 7:03 am

Thanks Frank, Andy, and John

Then that would mean a new tree was planted there some time after 1991.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyWed Jun 13, 2018 7:43 am

I haven't been down there since they put the Freeway through so couldn't comment on whats there now. Gary is probably the best bet.

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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyWed Jun 13, 2018 9:00 am

Cheeky sods lifted my photo.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyWed Jun 13, 2018 4:13 pm

Frank Allewell wrote:
Cheeky sods lifted my photo.

Ask them for 'royalties...... Surprised
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyWed Jun 13, 2018 6:14 pm

Anthony,

A couple of 1879 views including the Ultimatum Tree:
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I have found some of Ken’s slides, but not all of them. There is a great shot of the Ultimatum Tree in Black as Hell, Thick as Grass.

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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyWed Jun 13, 2018 6:44 pm

Here's Kenneth sitting beneath it, a poor quality screengrab.
do you have the coloured slides JY.

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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyWed Jun 13, 2018 7:26 pm

Les,

I’m trying find where Mrs Young has hidden the other slides, I have found some but nothing down the Tugela as yet.

It is that second one I hope to find.

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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyWed Jun 13, 2018 7:37 pm

John Young wrote:


I’m trying find where Mrs Young has hidden the other slides,

JY

That old chestnut Mr Young, do not blame Mrs Young Joker
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyWed Jun 13, 2018 7:42 pm

Andy,

I was looking for the slides and found a photograph of Walter Dunne, that I hadn’t seen for some while, filed inside some totally irrelevant papers, now I know I would have put it there...

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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyWed Jun 13, 2018 8:00 pm

John

Just remember that you are now maturity in age and the memory is not what it used to be.

I know Mrs young would agree with me Joker
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimatum Tree   Ultimatum Tree EmptyWed Jun 13, 2018 9:04 pm

Well JY, you knew Kenneth, i would of loved having a pint with him.
stop looking for them and they will turn up.
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