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Subject: Copper Wire Work Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:40 am
This is not the most significant topic to come up on the forum, but I have a bee in my bonnet about copper wire work. The auction highlighted by Admin yesterday makes great play of the copper wire work on Zulu artifacts such as clubs and spears, and adds a premium to the expected prices. There is no doubt that great skill is involved in manipulating the wire and that continues to this day. But it surely cannot be a sign of any antiquity of the object. The Zulu had no means of producing copper wire themselves so it was presumably "acquired" from Western sources. And prior to the telegraph I cannot think of any application that used or needed a significant amount of copper wire. I accept that by the mid 1870s the telegraph was in use in SA but before that what was the source? My conclusion is that copper wire decoration is a reasonably modern innovation and is by no means a sign of ethnic antiquity. Or am I missing something?
Steve
littlehand
Posts : 7077 Join date : 2009-04-25 Age : 54 Location : Down South.
Subject: Re: Copper Wire Work Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:45 am
Posts : 8367 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 75 Location : Cape Town South Africa
Subject: Re: Copper Wire Work Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:15 pm
Steve Copper wire was brought in by the traders, an important trade commodity. Frank
90th
Posts : 10613 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
Subject: Copper wire work Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:07 pm
Hi Frank Yes indeed Copper Wire was indeed bought in by traders , wire work was more than likely around at the time of the AZW , but it was by no means common , many of the Knobkerries , Spears etc were more than likely decorated after the conflict , when the Copper wire was more readily available , the pieces themselves could well pre date the wire itself . 90th
barry
Posts : 947 Join date : 2011-10-21 Location : Algoa Bay
Subject: Copper wire work Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:14 pm
Hi All,
Only those deluded will believe that the presence of copper wire in any artifact wiil give it value in terms of AZW authenticty. If fact, its presence is the very antihesis as it firmly dates the article to many decades post AZW.
regards
barry
rusteze
Posts : 2872 Join date : 2010-06-03
Subject: Re: Copper Wire Work Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:40 pm
Well, I feel vindicated which is a novel experience! Thank you gentlemen. I take the point about trade goods, but I also know that C Telegraph Coy. RE regularly "lost" long stretches of copper wire soon after they were erected.
Steve
Frank Allewell
Posts : 8367 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 75 Location : Cape Town South Africa
Subject: Re: Copper Wire Work Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:01 pm
90th Fully agree:r;: Off this afternoon to RD, should get in around 9 tonight, will have a drink on the deck for you. Barry Youve been at the dictionary again havent you, Steve Still happening today, every morning the trains into Cape Town get delayed because of cable theft, this time its more for the profit though.
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