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Bill8183
Posts : 180 Join date : 2015-11-08 Age : 56 Location : Sunderland
| Subject: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:30 pm | |
| Julian, On page 28 of the above book you examine the similarities of 25B Pte George Wyer and/or (George) William Hudd and wonder if further research would establish if they are the same person. Are you aware of the entry to the 1/24th paylist October 1879 to March 1880 page marked as 55? There is listed 210 Wyer George with Hudd written above and in the remarks column it states "to Army reserve 26 Jany (1880) name changed to Hudd" It would appear he is indeed the same person, in checking the paylists I have not seen any entry for Hudd only Wyer. The entry as a recruit in the April/June 1874 Depot paylist again states Wyer, no listing for Hudd so it would appear he was known as Hudd only after discharge. I have no idea where Norman Holmes got Hudd from. See image below, second entry from top. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 4187 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:02 am | |
| Brilliant. I missed that entry. Well done. I'll include this info with your permission and acknowledge you as the finder Bill in the next edition. Thanks. |
| | | Bill8183
Posts : 180 Join date : 2015-11-08 Age : 56 Location : Sunderland
| Subject: Re: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:46 pm | |
| Not a problem, hope it helps.
Just to add to the mix, you mention that he may have been a member of D or G Company, I believe at least initially he was in B Company sent to St John's.
I was flicking through Phillip Gon's "Road to Isandlwana" and he mentioned that Capt. Harrison his two Lt's and 85 OR's were sent on-board HMS Active in August 1878. (Do you know where this information originates from)? A quick check of the paylist shows the Officers were at sea for 12 days, explicitly mentioning East London to St John.
The only men in the 1st Bn to have any days at sea also stated 12 days. The total came to exactly 85 Nco's and men, including 210 Pte Wyer George. A quick check of Duttons medal roll (I'll cross check with Holmes and my scans of the actual medal roll to confirm later) shows 78 of those men were awarded the 1877-78 clasp. 5 were 1877-8-79 including Wyer, 1 No clasp and 1 1879 clasp only
Now it's possible the medal roll is incorrect in these cases (as is proven in others) or some were indeed transferred to other Companies. One for certain was, 565 Sgt Upton George was KIA at Isandlwana. Sadly the loss of the 1st Bn records will obviously preclude 100% accuracy.
Bill
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| | | Kenny
Posts : 615 Join date : 2013-05-07 Location : Brecon
| Subject: Re: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:10 pm | |
| These are the notes from lan Baynham Jones:
George Hudd served as Wyer.
Died at 1 Kemp Road, Winton, Bournemouth, Dorsetshire, England 25/2/1923 aged 67 years. Buried in Wimborne Road Cemetery, Bournemouth. Grave No.Q2/6N (Plot 2 Row Q). (Named as George Hudd - Also buried in the grave is Georgina Hudd died 1946).
Winton Tradesman’s Death. Funeral with Military Honours: The funeral took place on Friday at the Wimborne Road Cemetery of the late Mr. George William Hudd of 1 Kemp Road, Winton. The deceased who had for 20 years carried on the business of boot and shoe maker, was taken suddenly ill whilst engaged in his shop six weeks ago, with an attack of cerebral haemorrhage, from which he never recovered, his death taking place on the 25th inst. Mr. Hudd was 67 years of age, and was well known and highly esteemed among the residents of Winton. As a young man he joined the South Wales Borderers and served in the Zulu Campaign of 1877-8-9 for which he was subsequently awarded a medal. He was one of the 42 survivors out of over 700 men who were suddenly attacked by the Zulus. Pte. Hudd was wounded in the leg, and owed his escape to hiding in the bushes. When the survivors returned to England they were met at Waterloo Station where Queen Victoria shook hands with each man. On leaving the Army, Mr. Hudd joined the Constabulary at Hastings. After a few years service he came to Winton where he opened a boot and shoe business. A few years ago on the occasion of a review of National Servicemen at Littledown, the Duke of Connaught shook hands with Mr. Hudd and congratulated him, saying he was proud to meet one of England’s heroes. Mr. Hudd was an active supporter of the Conservative cause, and an enthusiastic member of the Winton Conservative Club. The funeral on Friday was accorded military honours, the coffin being covered with the Union Jack and drawn on a gun carriage supplied by the R.E’s., of Christchurch Barracks. The Rev. A. D. Phillips officiated. The mourners were: The widow, Mr. Walter Hudd (son), Mrs. Foster (daughter), Miss Doris Chamberlain (granddaughter), Mr. F. Chamberlain and Mr. R. Foster (sons-in-law), Miss Ivy Chamberlain (granddaughter), and Mr. Syd Edmonds. Mrs Chamberlain (daughter) was unable to attend owing to illness. Floral tributes were sent by the following: His devoted wife; the sons and daughters; the grandchildren; sisters Lottie and Vi; the Winton Conservative Club; Parsons and Sons, Boscombe; Mrs. Toms and family; Syd; A and T. Spicer; and Mr. and Mrs. Parker and others. There appeared in the United States of America in 1987 a publication that, by self-admission, leaned very heavily (and entirely without permission) on The Silver Wreath. The compiler of the work (Toby Giese) in question advances numerous theories, none of which is substantiated by actual documentary evidence. One such claim concerns the presence at the defence of Rorke’s Drift of Pte. Hudd. The hypothesis contains constantly expanding suppositions propounded to cover a multitude of untenable situations, and which finally terminate in so-called fact. In a newspaper article Hudd, who served in the 1st Battalion 24th Foot, makes no such claim. In-fact he professes to have been a survivor at Isandlwana, at which action he claims to have received a “… wound in the leg…” Obviously this claim is equally without any validation, as is his statement that “… they (the survivors) were met at Waterloo Station where Queen Victoria shook hands with each man…”
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| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 4187 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:15 pm | |
| Bill Re Gon, I shall have to go back through my notes...all I can say is that it rings a bell. From your research it does look as though Wyer plus 4 may have transferred from B to D or G.
Kenny I absolutely agree - hiding in the bushes indeed! Julian |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:00 pm | |
| Kenny I had a conversation with Toby Giese, after spending a long time trying to track him down, he flatly refused to discuss any of his 'work' or its potential plagiarism. He threaten me quite bitterly with 'action' if I made public any accusations that his 'work' was borrowed from other sources. His infamous copy of the B Company photo with all the names annotated came from his deep research into facial recognition systems. He again refused to expand on those systems and maintained he stood by all the identifications. I asked he e mail with a letter confirming that fact, he promised that would happen but some two years down the line i still wait. Frank |
| | | Bill8183
Posts : 180 Join date : 2015-11-08 Age : 56 Location : Sunderland
| Subject: Re: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:09 am | |
| Managed to acquire this book to see what the fuss was about, it was only a fiver so what the heck. Like to see the variable quality of what's out there. Only had a quick look through and I think the term "clucking bells" comes to mind. |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 4187 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:33 pm | |
| Bill I was lucky. I managed to sell my copy within 2 weeks of buying it when it first came out.
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| | | Bill8183
Posts : 180 Join date : 2015-11-08 Age : 56 Location : Sunderland
| Subject: Re: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:03 pm | |
| Well as I said, it didn't cost much. For good reason.
I have found one or two modern authors have a few... eccentric interpretations shall we say, but this? I have not seen such shoddy "research". The first photo I saw was the 2nd Battalion Officers in Secunderabad. When it was captioned "1st Battalion" and Pulleine identified as Bromhead told me all I needed to know about the quality of the book.
Almost humorous in a way, but there you go.
Bill |
| | | WeekendWarrior
Posts : 272 Join date : 2017-07-21 Location : San Diego, CA
| Subject: Re: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:13 pm | |
| This was the eccentric work featuring input from the 'ghosts' of KIA British servicemen, right? Certainly an interesting theory. I may revise my book complete with detailed interviews with Pulleine, Younghusband, Anstey, et al, having them fully confirm all of my theories in detail. And of course my ancestor, Private Michael Donegan #1026 (G Coy 2-24th), who undoubtedly deserves the VC. |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10910 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edit Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:29 am | |
| WeekendWarrior HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA , OUTSTANDING , will these interviews from the Spirit world be Vol 2 or 3 ?? 90th |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 4187 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:16 am | |
| The spirit world seems to be something that's in historical vogue at the moment. I came across a publication on sale recently to do with Christopher Jones of the Mayflower/Pilgrims fame. It began as a fairly normal straight history and then began to include details not recorded elsewhere and quite lengthy 'conversations' with various Pilgrims and crew which it turned out from a footnote were 'received' by the author when he had experienced a number of 'visions' and discussions with 'apparitions'. This trash even had the backing of the author's local council and was on sale in its tourist info centre. As I wrote elsewhere, we live in Orwellian times. Has anyone had a chat with Pulleine recently? |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:29 am | |
| Yep and he isnt looking forward to tomorrow |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10910 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edit Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:00 am | |
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| | | gardner1879
Posts : 3463 Join date : 2021-01-04
| Subject: Re: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:32 pm | |
| I always find with these kind of people the best approach is to tell them a joke then when they are laughing smack em in the gob. As with all things I always like to try and strike a happy medium. Kate |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10910 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Notes on England's Sons 8th Edit Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:05 am | |
| Gardner1879 . very good ...Happy Medium ! , you've done well . . After all that's the only way we can contact Pulleine nowadays . 90th |
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