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PostSubject: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyWed Jun 10, 2020 5:35 pm

Hello,
The following list consists of all the Officers I have presently been able to identify. I would be grateful if any member knows of any more or addition initials or forenames.

NOMINAL ROLL OF THE OFFICERS OF THE NATAL NATIVE CONTINGENT FOR THE ANGLO-ZULU WAR 1879

Commandants
BENGOUGH, Harcourt Mortimer. (Major)
CHERRY, Charles Edward Le Mesurier. (Captain)
COOPER, Edward Russell. (Commandant)
DURNFORD, Anthony William. (Major)
GRAVES, Shapland, H. (Major)
HAMILTON-BROWNE, George. (Commandant)
LONSDALE, Rupert La Trobe. (Commandant)
MONTGOMERY, Alexander Nixon. (Commandant)
NETTLETON, William John. (Commandant)

Staff Officers
BARTON, Geoffrey. (Captain)
HART, Arthur Fritzroy. (Captain)
SHEPSTONE, George John Palmer. (Captain)

Medical Staff
WOOD, Russell Elliot. (Surgeon)
BUEE, Francis William. (Acting Surgeon)

Line Officers - Captains
ALLISON, John Stuart. (Captain/Adjutant)
BARRY, A.T. (Captain)
BARTHOLMEW, E.G. (Captain)
BARTHOLMEW, J.S. (Captain)
BARTON, William. (Captain)
BEAN, Willard. (Captain)
BEVERLEY DAVIES, R.P. (Captain)
BIRKETT, R.C. (Captain)
BOORD, Edward Henry. (Captain)
BOVEY, R. (Captain)
BRICE, F.W. (Captain)
BURNSIDE, C.R. (Captain)
CADE, Charles. S. (Captain)
CLIFTON, F.P. (Captain)
COCK, C. (Captain)
COGAN, J.M. (Captain)
COOKE, E.W. (Captain)
COOKE, John William. (Captain)
DALLAMORE, J.M. (Captain)
DAVIS, A.E. (Captain)
De BEER, J. (Captain)
De BEER, Johannes Jacobus. (Captain)
De BURGH, Ulick J.R. (Captain)
DEVELLING, R. (Captain)
DOUGLAS, W.A. (Captain)
DUNCOMBE, Robert. (Captain)
DYMES, Harold Rawlins. (Captain)
ERSKINE, Charles Alexander. (Captain)
GALLEY, T.R. (Captain)
GARDE, H.P. (Captain)
GORDON, Allan. (Captain)
GOUGH, Honourable Hugh Rodolph. (Captain)
GUBBINS, William Thomas. (Captain)
GUINEA, Joseph A. (Captain)
GUNNING. (Captain)
HALL, Walter Herbert. (Captain)
HAMILTON, Edward Barry. (Captain)
HARBER, Stephen Smith. (Captain)
HARDING, W.H. (Captain)
HARFORD, Henry Charles. (Captain)
HAY, Charles D. (Captain)
HAYES, Daniel Joseph. (Captain)
HAYES, P.W. (Captain)
HIGHTON, Edward Claude Gouldurn. (Captain)
HILL, William. (Captain)
HOCKING, W. (Captain)
HULLEY, Samuel Issac. (Captain)
INGALL, F. (Captain)
KETTLES, R. (Captain)
KING, J. (Captain)
KROHN, Robert. (Captain)
LIEFELDT, John. (Captain)
LONSDALE, James Faunce.  (Captain)
LUDWIG, Herman August Johan. (Captain)
LUYT, J. (Captain)
MACKINTOSH, Alexander J.F. (Captain)
MACLEAN, Roland. (Captain)
MARGARY, Aubyn F. (Captain)
MASSEY HICKS, George R. (Captain)
McTAGGART, James. (Captain)
MULLER, Carl Immanuel. (Captain)
MURRAY, Orlando Edward. (Captain)
NELSON, A.E. (Captain)
NEUMANN, Arthur Henry. (Captain)
NOURSE, Cracroft R.A. (Captain)
OPENSHAWE, William Turner. (Captain)
PENFOLD, W.C. (Captain)
PIZZEGHELLI, Richard. (Captain)
PLOSH, F. (Captain)
RICKETTS, A.H. (Captain)
RORKE, A.G. (Captain)
SAUNDERS, T.A. (Captain)
SHERVINGTON, Charles Robert St Leger.  (Captain)
SMYTHE, David Murray. (Captain)
SPIERS, A.T. (Captain)
STAFFORD, Walter H.  (Captain)
STEINER, Joseph. (Captain)
STEPHENSON, William. (Captain)
ST JOHN GREAVES, E.L. (Captain)
TAGGART, J. (Captain)
THOMAS, T.B. (Captain)
UNDERHILL, W.H. (Captain)
VETCH, Robert Francis.  (Captain)
WELSH, Alexander. (Captain)
WILLOUGHBY, Digby. (Captain)
WORTHINGTON, A.H. (Captain)
WRENCH, A.F. (Captain)
WRENCH, R.F. (Captain)
WOLLNER, N.R. (Captain)
WOOD, E.J.P. (Captain)

Line Officers - Lieutenants
ADENDORFF, Gert, Wilhhelm.  (Lieutenant)
ALLEN, John Bland. (Lieutenant)
ALLEWAY, C.E.S.K. (Lieutenant)
ALLOWAY, C.K. (Lieutenant)
ANDREWS, J.A. (Lieutenant)
ARMYTAGE, C.A.G. (Lieutenant)
ASHINGTON, F. (Lieutenant)
AVERY, Samuel. (Lieutenant)
BAKER, J. (Lieutenant)
BARKER, Cecil Newton. (Lieutenant)
BARRY, A.J. (Lieutenant)
BATTYE, F.B. (Lieutenant)
BECKER, George. (Lieutenant)
BETTINGTON, Rowland, Ablemarle (“Claude”) (Lieutenant)
BEVIS, T. (Lieutenant)
BIRCH, Ernest Augustus. (Lieutenant)
BISCHOFF, D.J. (Lieutenant)
BLACK, Norman David.  (Lieutenant)
BLAKENEY, John. (Lieutenant)
BRICE, J. (Lieutenant)
BRUCE, H.M. (Lieutenant)
BRYCE, F. (Lieutenant)
BUCHANAN, C. (Lieutenant)
CAMPBELL, W.D. (Lieutenant)
CARROLL, Joshua W. (Lieutenant)
CHAPMAN, J. (Lieutenant)
CARTWRIGHT, J. (Lieutenant)
CARTWRIGHT, P.W. (Lieutenant)
CLEAR, T. (Lieutenant)
COOKE, John William. (Lieutenant)
CRUTCHLEY, E.A. (Lieutenant)
DAVIES, H.D. (Lieutenant)
DAVIS, J.P. (Lieutenant)
De BEER, P.D. (Lieutenant)
DENNIS, E.E. (Lieutenant)
D’OMBRAIN, Robert D. (Lieutenant)
DOVETON, Franklyn B. (Lieutenant)
DOVETON, W.W. (Lieutenant)
DUCAT, Arthur William. (Lieutenant)
Du PLACE, S. (Lieutenant)
ELD, Percy S.F.E. (Lieutenant)
ELLIOTT, William. (Lieutenant)
ELLIS, F.W. (Lieutenant)
ERSKINE, Wallace Buchan. (Lieutenant)
EVANS, W.G.L. (Lieutenant)
FAIRCLOUGH, William D.H. (Lieutenant)
FERREIRA, Paul J. (Lieutenant)
FLACK, P. (Lieutenant)
GIBSON, Arthur. (Lieutenant)
GIFFS, John P. (Lieutenant)
GILBERT, R. (Lieutenant)
GINNINGHAM, S.Q. (Lieutenant)
GODFREY, C. (Lieutenant)
GOLDSBURY, S. (Lieutenant)
GRANTHAM, Edward Albert. (Lieutenant)
GRAY, W. (Lieutenant)
GREVILLE, Brooke Southwell. (Lieutenant)
HALDER, Albert Herbert. (Lieutenant)
HAYES, Angus Burnett. (Lieutenant)
HEATHCOTE, G.W. (Lieutenant)
HICKS, William. (Lieutenant)
HIGGINSON, Walter C. Robert. (Lieutenant)
HILLIER, H. (Lieutenant)
HIRON, L.A. (Lieutenant)
HOLCRAFT, Francis James. (Lieutenant)
HORNABROOK, G.E. (Lieutenant)
HORNSBY, Arthur. (Lieutenant)
HORNSBY, George. (Lieutenant)
HUGHES, R.E. (Lieutenant)
HUNGERFORD, T.H. (Lieutenant)
INNERSON, C. (Lieutenant)
JAMESON, Charles. (Lieutenant)
JAY, Herbert.Valentine. (Lieutenant)
JENKINS, Charles. (Lieutenant)
JOHNSON, A.P.A. (Lieutenant)
JONES, Lewis Henry Stephen. (Lieutenant)
LAMONT, M. (Lieutenant)
LANE-FOX, Honourable Sackville Fitzroy Henry. (Lieutenant)
LISTER, Joseph. (Lieutenant)
LIVINGSTON, Joseph. (Lieutenant)
LONG, W.B.D. (Lieutenant)
LUYT, C. (Lieutenant)
McGILVORAY, F. (Lieutenant)
MANNING, Claude. (Lieutenant)
MARILLER, C. (Lieutenant)
MARITZ, Adrian Johannes Stephanus.
(Lieutenant)
MATTHEWS, F.W. (Lieutenant)
MATTHEWS, P.W. (Lieutenant)
MAXWELL, John. (Lieutenant)
MILLER, A.N. (Lieutenant)
MONCRIFF, Lynedoch Needham. (Lieutenant)
MORAN, John J. (Lieutenant)
MORANT, Horatio Graham. (Lieutenant)
MORELAND, E.B. (Lieutenant)
MORPHY, J.W.M. (Lieutenant)
MURPHY, G.H. (Lieutenant)
MURRAY, J. (Lieutenant)
MURRAY, William. (Lieutenant)
NORRIS, Arthur, W. (Lieutenant)
NURDEN, J. (Lieutenant)
O'DRISCOLL, C. (Lieutenant)
ORWIN, Francis H. (Lieutenant)
O'SULLIVAN, D.J. (Lieutenant)
PALEY, William Wilson. (Lieutenant)
PATERSON, Pierre Bouiller. (Lieutenant)
PEGLER, C.A. (Lieutenant)
PEVERETT, S.J. (Lieutenant)
PIGGOTT, Walter. (Lieutenant)
PLATNER, J. Gustav. (Lieutenant)
POHL, B. (Lieutenant)
PRITCHARD, R.A. (Lieutenant)
PURCHASE, T.W.E.  (Lieutenant)
PURVIS, Thomas. (Lieutenant)
RAINES, John Lawrence. (Lieutenant)
RANGER, Albert C. (Lieutenant)
RANGER, A.H. (Lieutenant)
REYNELL, Henry. (Lieutenant)
REYNOLD, T.H. (Lieutenant)
RIVERS, H.O. (Lieutenant)
ROBERTS, G. Norman. (Lieutenant)
ROBERTS, J.A. (Lieutenant)
ROBINSON, G.L. (Lieutenant)
RUSSON, G. (Lieutenant)
RUTHERFORD, John. (Lieutenant)
RYDER, P. (Lieutenant)
SCHULTZ, Max. (Lieutenant)
SCRIVENOR, C. (Lieutenant)
SHAW, A.P.A. (Lieutenant)
SHEPHERD, C.S. (Lieutenant)
SHERVINGTON, Thomas R.M. (Lieutenant)
SKOTTOWE, E. (Lieutenant)
SMITH, T.P. (Lieutenant)
SPILLER, Henry E. (Lieutenant)
STARCK, A.F. (Lieutenant)
STIRTON, J. (Lieutenant)
SUTHERLAND, John. (Lieutenant)
SYMONS, George. (Lieutenant)
THOMPSON, W. (Lieutenant)
TREVOR - BATTYE, Charles Edmund Augustine Trevor. (Lieutenant)
TROW, J. (Lieutenant)
TURNER, W. (Lieutenant)
TYRRELL, G. (Lieutenant)
TYTLER, Stanley, D. (Lieutenant)
USSWALDT, W. (Lieutenant)
VAINES, T. (Lieutenant)
Von PALM, Hugo H. (Lieutenant)
VEREKER, Standish William Prendergast.  (Lieutenant)
VINNICOMBE, William Dommett. (Lieutenant)
Von HIRSCHBERG, Count Franz. (Lieutenant)
VOULES, P. (Lieutenant)
WADMORE, Henry Robinson. (Lieutenant)
WAINWRIGHT, A.T. (Lieutenant)
WALES, M.G. (Lieutenant)
WALKER, Frederick James. (Lieutenant)
WEBB, Harold Stuart. (Lieutenant)
WELBY, Richard Earle. (Lieutenant)
WHITFIELD, C. (Lieutenant)
WILLIAMS, Clement. (Lieutenant)
WINGFIELD - STRATFORD, Leonard Guise. (Lieutenant)
WOODFALL, C.W. (Lieutenant)
WORSLEY, A.A. (Lieutenant)
WORSLEY, Digby Thomas. (Lieutenant)
WRIGHT, W. (Lieutenant)
WRIGHT, W.J. (Lieutenant)
WYLDE, J.H. (Lieutenant)
WYNNE, Charles F.D. (Lieutenant)
WYNNE, E.H.M. (Lieutenant)
YORK, V.S. (Lieutenant)
YOUNG, Heydon Charles. (Lieutenant)
YOUNG, Lonsdale Desoon. (Lieutenant)

Interpreters
CATO, C.A. (Interpreter)
CRIEG. (Interpreter)
DICK. (Interpreter)
LEAN, F.H. (Interpreter)
GRANT, Samuel. (Interpreter)

Quartermasters/Paymasters
ALEXANDER, A.C. (Quartermaster/Paymaster)
COSTERTON, C.E. (Quartermaster/Paymaster)
CHAMBERS, Augustus Patrick. (Quartermaster/Paymaster)
De WAAL, Constant. (Quartermaster/Paymaster)
FREEBOROUGH, T. (Quartermaster/Paymaster)
LARGE, R.S. (Quartermaster/Paymaster)
MARTIN, T.O. (Quartermaster/Paymaster)
McCORMICK, John R.  (Quartermaster/Paymaster)
McCRACKEN, V. (Quartermaster/Paymaster)
STANLEY, W. (Quartermaster)

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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyWed Jun 10, 2020 8:06 pm

Good evening Ells,

I’ll make a start for you:

Commandants
BENGOUGH, Harcourt Mortimer. Major, 77th (East Middlesex) Regiment
BROWNE, George Hamilton, (Commandant)
CHERRY, Charles Edward Le Mesurier. Captain, 32nd (Cornwall) Light Infantry
COOPER, Edward Russell. (Commandant)
DURNFORD, Anthony William. Brevet Colonel, Royal Engineers
GRAVES, Shapland, Major, 3rd (East Kent - The Buffs) Regiment
LONSDALE, Rupert La Trobe. (Commandant)
MONTGOMERY, Alexander Nixon. (Commandant)
NETTLETON, William John. (Commandant)

Staff Officers
BARTON, Geoffry. Captain, 1st Battalion, 7th (Royal Fusiliers) Regiment
HART, Arthur FitzRoy. Captain, 31st (Huntingdonshire) Regiment
SHEPSTONE, George John Palmer. (Captain) Political Assistant

You will note I have relocated George Hamilton BROWNE, to his correct surname.

Other amendments I have made appear in italics.  These include minor changes to Barton’s and Hart’s forenames - Geoffry rather than Geoffrey, and FitzRoy rather than Fitzroy.

Those officers on special service, I have added the designations of their parent units.  

Shepstone is interesting only on his old school memorial have I seen the three initials to his forenames, normally he appears simply as George.  His mother’s maiden name was Palmer, so that accounts for that as a given name.

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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyWed Jun 10, 2020 8:30 pm

Ells,

Three more of the top of my head.

NOURSE, Temple Maynard Cracroft (Captain)

SHERVINTON, Charles Robert St. Leger.  (Captain)
SHERVINTON, Thomas (Lieutenant)

You had R.A. after Captain Shervinton, and R.M. after Lieutenant Shervinton.  Do you have a source for those initials?  R.M. could stand for Resident Magistrate.

I have just seen that the incorrect spelling of Shervington (sic.) appears in my co-authored work with David Truesdale, Victoria's Harvest.  For the correct spelling see Kathleen Shervinton's work: The Shervintons: Soldiers of Fortune. Shervinton of Madagascar; Shervinton of Salvador & Tom Shervinton, N.N.C.

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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyThu Jun 11, 2020 1:01 pm

John,

Thanks for your reply. The R.M. stands for Robert Munro. I appears a common fact that brothers during the times had the same forenames as Charles was also Robert. I cannot trace where I got the R.A. from at the moment but I do know Charles had no affiliation to the Royal Artillery.

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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyThu Jun 11, 2020 1:57 pm

Ells,

Sorry I meant amend my reply last night, but I got waylaid with another enquiry regarding No. 2 Column, the initials R.A. actually appear with Nourse’s name.

I’ll take another look later, time permitting.

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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyThu Jun 11, 2020 6:10 pm

Re The Shervintons.

William Monroe Shervinton, born 1857 served with Lonsdale's Horse, and was at the fight at Morosi's Mountain and other engagements. At Durban he unexpectedly met his eldest brother Charlie, who had just arrived there after the relief of Eshowe. He later went to New York and then to Central America. His headquarters were at San Salvador. The president there offered William the rank of Colonel. He served at the Battle of Chalchuapa fought April 2, 1885. On December 27th he died back in London at the early age of 33.
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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyFri Jun 12, 2020 2:58 pm

Thanks Wentworth,
The middle name Munro for two of the brothers, I would presume that that was their mother's maiden name,
something else to check.

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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyFri Jun 12, 2020 4:48 pm

Ells wrote:
Thanks Wentworth,
The middle name Munro for two of the brothers, I would presume that that was their mother's maiden name,
something else to check.

Regards

Ells

Charles Robert Shervinton 1823-1907 married Eliza Munro 1833-1914.

Ancestry has lots of Shervintons.

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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyFri Jun 19, 2020 7:51 am

Hi Ells
Thanks for posting your list. I spent quite some time comparing with my list and then lost my results by failing to save it!!! I will have another go but I did note you had several names I didn’t and vice versa. My list is a combination of Roy Duttons medal roll and Terry Soles For God Queen and Country mainly but with others I have picked up from the forum, The leadership of the NNC by Keith Smith, or the internet. What other sources did you use?

One other Commandant I have, although not strictly NNC is Major Wilson’s Black 2/24th who I believe took temporary command of the 3rd NNC while Robert Lonsdale was sick. Not sure of the dates but about 9th to 19th Jan I think.

I think you’re missing a few medical officers as well but will have another comparison with my list in the next week or two and post my results.

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PostSubject: The Shervingtons   NNC Officer List EmptyFri Jul 03, 2020 6:11 am

Hi everyone,

Thanks for this listing.

There is a good book on the Shervington brothers written, as I recall, by their sister. Includes some good photographs. I guess the South American details mentioned were derived from this book.


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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyFri Jul 03, 2020 6:22 am

Who was Captain E.J.P. Wood of the N.N.C.?

Can anybody possibly give any details?

I suspect that he was Edmund George Powys Wood a son of Colonel Herbert William Wood. Note the difference in initials. A rather sad story about a bit of a looser who, transferring from the Madras General List, was appointed as an Ensign with the 103rd Foot in 1861 and later “retired”. He was declared bankrupt after being involved with various unsavoury transactions (seemingly unbefitting of an officer) and then travelled from the England to South Africa and then to Australia.

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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyFri Jul 03, 2020 9:44 am

Try Thomas Robert Montague Shervinton
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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyFri Jul 03, 2020 2:12 pm

Norris, Arthur W. (Lieutenant) does not appear to be listed in Dutton, Forgotten Heroes of the Basuto and Zulu Wars, as having served in the NNC. Please advise your sources for my research on the Norris family.

There was an Arthur Walker Norris of suitable credentials for service, resident in Umbombo Zululand.

Stirton. J (Lieutenant) is certainly John Stirton, my great, great uncle.
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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyFri Jul 03, 2020 3:46 pm

Hi Brian

This is what I have on Edmund George Powys Wood.

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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptySat Jul 04, 2020 3:55 pm

Hello,
Some confusion here.
This was my comment:
Norris, Arthur W. (Lieutenant) does not appear to be listed in Dutton, Forgotten Heroes of the Basuto and Zulu Wars, as having served in the NNC. Please advise your sources for my research on the Norris family.

There was an Arthur Walker Norris of suitable credentials for service, resident in Umbombo Zululand.

Stirton. J (Lieutenant) is certainly John Stirton, my great, great uncle
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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptySat Jul 04, 2020 4:40 pm

Hello Brian,
Ref Lt Arthur Norris, Local General Orders No- 228, dated 18th December 1878, section 4 "The following appointments will take place in the Natal Native Contingent and will bear date from 18th December 1878: 1st Battalion, 1st Regiment, Captain Charles S. Cade, West Cork Artillery Militia, to be Captain; 3rd Battalion, 1st Regiment, A.W. Norris Esq., to be Lieutenant". Later in Local General Orders No- 25, dated 5th February 1879, section 8 "The appointment of Mr. Norris, 3rd Battalion, 1st Regiment, Natal Native Contingent is cancelled. Hope this is of help.

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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyMon Jul 06, 2020 7:27 am

Thanks Ells & Regards.
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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyMon Jul 06, 2020 1:32 pm

Brian,
I would be interested if you wish and have further details, to the career of John Stirton.

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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyMon Jul 06, 2020 1:45 pm

Robgdad,
In regards to Captain E.J.P. Wood as this is listed in numerous sources, an observation on panel 10 of 1879Greaves post shows the signature of Edmund George Powys Wood, as you cite and to my option the G looks very much like a J, hence your assumption may be true.

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PostSubject: Here is Lieutenant O'Driscoll initials    NNC Officer List EmptyFri Jul 31, 2020 9:47 pm

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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyFri Jul 31, 2020 9:49 pm

here are Lieutenant O'Driscoll's initials
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PostSubject: Re: NNC Officer List   NNC Officer List EmptyMon Aug 03, 2020 1:56 pm

Hi Vincent,
Thanks for the post, do you know exactly what the articles is?

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