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PostSubject: Non-Combat Casualties - Royal Navy and Royal Marines   Non-Combat Casualties - Royal Navy and Royal Marines EmptyMon Aug 31, 2020 2:18 pm

Second in my series of AZW non-combat deaths, divided according to corps. Today, the Royal Navy, Royal Marine Artillery, and Royal Marine Light Infantry.
All comments or suggestions would be most welcome.


* HMS Active (RN):
Mid. Lewis Cadwallader COKER. 16-Mar, Eshowe, dysentery.
AB ('krooman') 13B/29 Jim (or Jack) DOUGH. 02-Mar.
AB ('krooman') 13B/26 Tom LIVERPOOL. 03-May, Herwen, fever & general debility.
AB 5/88 Daniel MARTIN. 09-Jan, Lower Tugela, accident (drowning, prob. crocodile attack).
Shoemaker 5/39 John MOORE. 10-Feb, Eshowe, dysentery.
PO, 2nd Cl. (Coxwain of the Cutter) 5/50 Alfred PEARCE. 22-Apr, Lower Tugela, dysentery.
LS 5/211 J. RADFORD. 08-Mar, Eshowe, fever.
AB 5/241 Alfred SMITH. 02-Apr, Eshowe, fever.
OS 15/113 G.M. WALSH. 19-Apr, Lower Tugela, enteric.


* HMS Active (RMA):
Gnr. 11/42 William SEDDON. 02-Jan, Lower Tugela, pneumonia.


* HMS Active (RMLI):
Pte. 11/9 William STAGG. 16-Mar, Eshowe, double pneumonia.


* HMS Boadicea (RN):
Lt. John Burlton BENETT. Haslar Hospital (UK), debility.
Stoker, 2nd Cl. 5/322 J. HARWOOD. 18-May, Herwen, typhoid.
Signalman, 3rd Cl. 13/2 W.F. REID. May, Herwen, fever.


* HMS Shah (RN):
AB 257 Thomas H. BARGE. 09-Jun, Durban, enteric.
AB 288 Owen COOPER. 15-May, Fort Pearson, enteritis.
Ch. Engine Room Artificer 15/187 John W. FILLMORE. 13-Apr, Simon's Bay Hospital.
PO, 1st Cl. (Gunner's Mate) 475 Joseph W. LANGFORD. 21-Jun, Durban, dysentery.
PO, 2nd Cl. (2nd Captain of the Forecastle) 15/183 Joseph F. OATES. July, Haslar Hospital (UK).
AB 588 Richard OLIVER. 12-Jun, Fort Pearson, enteric.
AB 464 Edward SHEPPARD (or SHEPHERD). 17-Jun, Fort Pearson, dysentery.
PO, 2nd Cl. (Cooper) 140 Joseph E. SYMONDS. 03-Jun, Fort Pearson, enteric.
AB 59 James WHEADON. 04-Jun, Fort Crealock, dysentery.


* HMS Shah (RMA):
Gnr. 101 Philip CRUMPTON. 31-May, Durban, dysentery.


* HMS Shah (RMLI):
Pte. 75 Patrick O'BRINS. 12-Jun, Herwen, enteric.


* HMS Tenedos (RMLI):
Pte. 11/12 William J. LUMAR. 30 or 31-Jan, Fort Tenedos, sunstroke.
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PostSubject: Re: Non-Combat Casualties - Royal Navy and Royal Marines   Non-Combat Casualties - Royal Navy and Royal Marines EmptyTue Sep 01, 2020 12:35 am

Catiline63,

That is a good list which you have put together.  I found only one name, "Jack (Jim) Dough, which I would question.  

Jack (Jim) Dough (Krooman, HMS Active) was a native of Sierra Leone.  The Medal Roll shows he was Discharged Dead on 2 March 1879.  Dough’s name was not listed on the HMS Active Memorial at Victoria Park, nor is there an entry on the ship’s Medical Journal (by Staff Surgeon F. Norbury) for him.  

On 2 March 1879 Krooman Jack Dough was not serving ashore with the Naval Brigade from HMS Active which was besieged at Eshowe on that date, nor is he listed among those who died and were buried in the cemetery there.  Dough had served ashore with the Naval Brigade in the 9th Cape Frontier wars (16 December 1877 to 31 March 1878.) for which he was entitled to the South Africa Medal with the “1877-8” clasp.  On the 2nd of March he was either serving aboard HMS Active anchored off of Port Durban, or could have been sent ashore to a hospital at either Durban or Simon’s Bay.  I have not been able to find any Medical Journal kept by Surgeon John B. B. Triggs who was the only Surgeon aboard ship at the time. The only other source would be the ship’s log for HMS Active which is kept at the National Archives in the file ADM 53/11119 which covers the period 23 August 1878 to 25 October 1879.

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Thanks for the advice, Tom. Much appreciated.
I retained Dough because, as he seems to me to be a 'borderline' character - part of the compliment of the Active, although not part of the shore party that made up the Naval Brigade - it would be incomplete not to include him!

Thanks again,
Lee
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Henry Bingham Wynyard Lieutenant HMS Boadicea
John McCarthy Stoker HMS Boadicea drowned Simonsbay

Couple of headstones I found at Seaforth Burial ground
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Hi Frank
I see neither of the two chaps you mentioned are listed on the Medal Roll for HMS Bodicea , must've passed away before or after the AZW ??? , I had a very quick look under Officers and Stokers , Tom will know Salute Salute
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Morning Gary
Not a clue Im afraid as to the dates, just two graves I found in the very old Seaforth graveyard in Simonstown.
At the time I was looking for an iSandlwana survivors grave.
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Western Morning News 14 December 1880

Non Zulu War, happy to be corrected.

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Naval & Military Gazette and Weekly Chronicle of the United Service 15 December 1880

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Neither of these men saw service in the Zulu War.

Lieutenant Henry Bingham Chesshyre Wynyard was appointed to HMS Boadicea 7 June 1879 and arrived at Simon’s Bay 7 July where he was put on the sick list of “Boadicea” the next day and sent to the naval hospital at Simon’s Town.  He never saw service aboard ship in Natal or Zululand waters, nor does he show up on the medal roll.  HMS Boadicea had left Durban in June with the body of the Prince Imperial and arrived at Simon’s Bay on the 15th where the Prince’s body was transferred to HMS Orontes.  The “Boadicea” remained thee at Simon’s Bay for the remainder of the war.

Stoker John McCarthy died in 1884.  The crew of “Boadicea” that served in the Zulu War and the 1st Boer War were sent back to England in 1882 aboard HMS Thalia which had brought out their replacements.  There is no Stoker John McCarthy on the medal roll for service in the Zulu War.

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There are a number of other graves in the Burial Ground, unfortunatly its a very isolated place and in SA that presents its own problems.
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